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Old 02-06-2008, 08:02 PM
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Impact. Everything in the golf swing comes down to impact. Impact. You can get there a thousand different ways, but Impact is what separates a great ball striker from a hack.

A PGA pro is a very good ball striker, but he's a great, very great Golfer.
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:11 PM
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People need to learn to pivot and move their arms & hands in such a way that allows them to control where the club bottoms out . . . then it becomes a game of controlling the face . . . .
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
People need to learn to pivot and move their arms & hands in such a way that allows them to control where the club bottoms out . . . then it becomes a game of controlling the face . . . .
Great content and concise
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock View Post
Great content and concise
mrodock,

Don't tell Bucket that. It's gibberish.

I'm going to CAll Yoda Directly. I'm going to have "Reserved" seats and Name Tags for the Day-before-TGM-cram-session. I got 4 more names just from this thread only.
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:10 PM
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Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is gibberish?

If I make it to the school I imagine I'll have more to learn than anyone else in attendance so I don't take it as an insult!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:41 PM
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Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is gibberish?

If I make it to the school I imagine I'll have more to learn than anyone else in attendance so I don't take it as an insult!

Don't take anything I say to you as an insult. But telling someone it's a matter of Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is like telling someone, "Just Open the door and Jump out, then at 2100 feet, simply pull that little cord hanging down your left shoulder.

Telling someone to coordinate arm swing and pivot? What do you teach them with Zero Pivot? What swings the arms?

Do you understand that it's gibberish? Ok. Pivot right to left at 8 MPH, then swing your arms at 40 mph and coordinate them so that the clubhead arrives to the ball at 110 mph with a square clubface with a down, out and forward path. Lesson over. Pay me $1000.00
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:57 PM
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When novices get the idea that the base of the plane line is the low point plane line, and that with the exception of putter/driver low point is under the ground...then the lights begin to brighten. Understanding low point becomes the high point!
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:59 PM
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Don't take anything I say to you as an insult. But telling someone it's a matter of Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is like telling someone, "Just Open the door and Jump out, then at 2100 feet, simply pull that little cord hanging down your left shoulder.

Telling someone to coordinate arm swing and pivot? What do you teach them with Zero Pivot? What swings the arms?

Do you understand that it's gibberish? Ok. Pivot right to left at 8 MPH, then swing your arms at 40 mph and coordinate them so that the clubhead arrives to the ball at 110 mph with a square clubface with a down, out and forward path. Lesson over. Pay me $1000.00
I took what Bucket said as what he would teach an average player rather than how he would instruct them to do it. The shoulders move the arms, but no shot requires zero pivot.

I would want a student to keep his arms more tied into his body as illustrated in Five Lessons the Modern Fundamentals of Golf p. 82-83.

I wouldn't simply rely on a verbal discussion of what should be done, rather, I would demonstrate and make alterations as necessary to the student's technique.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:40 AM
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I agree with golfgnome. Here is why.

I started my study of TGM 3 yrs. ago. Flat left wrist, flat left wrist....that was all that I heard it seemed, so I got a tire Ben Doyle style and whacked that thing JUST LIKE HIM on the videos here. No tire flipping over, just pure...every time

But...I still did not hit the golf ball like I wanted. I had pivot problems. My hands were educated and I didn't flip it, but I still steered it and my pivot was awful

So my impact condition was great, but all the stuff that went into it (my pivot, lag, etc.) was not very good, which resulted in still mediocre golf. I am only now starting to become enlightened as to what I need to work on.
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:19 AM
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Yikes!
A prickly problem of meta-physical proportions! Impact is secondary (or at the very least incidental....preparation for impact is primary (or at the very least instrumental) We live in the present...impact is in the future...we must prepare for its inevitability, because precision is not thrown in! More practically, you can't monitor impact, hence the Three Stations! Impact IS the moment of truth...and the ball does not fib!

So impact is primary to the ball, but secondary to the golfer. Preparation is primary for the golfer and secondary to the ball!
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