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Old 03-12-2008, 11:14 AM
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Bucket, can you post that pic I just sent you?
You really want me to put THAT pic up???? If you say so . . . . .
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Old 03-12-2008, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
You really want me to put THAT pic up???? If you say so . . . . .
NO NO NO!!!!!!!!! The Hogan one!
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 03-12-2008, 10:06 PM
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NO NO NO!!!!!!!!! The Hogan one!
Here you are sir . .



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Old 03-13-2008, 10:57 AM
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Love that photo Mrodock

What is on display here?

I see a fully extended right arm with a still bent right wrist.

An on plane right shoulder. Swinging left?

Anyone else have any insights?
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Love that photo Mrodock

What is on display here?

I see a fully extended right arm with a still bent right wrist.

An on plane right shoulder. Swinging left?

Anyone else have any insights?

Handle down . . . Left Wrist not fully uncocked . . . Still in his Axis Tilt . . . right heel still down . . . right knee still relatively "in line" with the left . . . Hip Slant . . .

Is he swinging left or simply swinging on plane?

What about the face? What about it's relationship to the plane and the #3 accumulator associated with that plane? Is it Horizontal Hinging or is it not?
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Looks like an angle hinge (no-roll) and a delayed swivel. I agree with Bucket, he's not really swinging left, he's just swinging on plane after impact. I call it replaning the club. Hogan and Snead were two of the best in this respect. Chuck Cook has an interesting article on this topic in this month's Golf Digest (Freddie is on the cover).
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Handle down . . . Left Wrist not fully uncocked . . . Still in his Axis Tilt . . . right heel still down . . . right knee still relatively "in line" with the left . . . Hip Slant . . .

Is he swinging left or simply swinging on plane?

What about the face? What about it's relationship to the plane and the #3 accumulator associated with that plane? Is it Horizontal Hinging or is it not?

This is the key thing... "Swinging left" is a feel at best .... lets call it what it is "swinging on plane"!!!

Agree with you Bucket....
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by golfbulldog View Post
This is the key thing... "Swinging left" is a feel at best .... lets call it what it is "swinging on plane"!!!

Agree with you Bucket....



For me, the feeling of swinging left is the feel associated with retaining the bend in the right wrist while staying on plane through both arms straight. Normally a thing I feel on shorter shots as I keep the club head low, beneath the handle and the hands work their way up, in (or left) and forward.

Here, I see Mr Hogan keeping his bent right wrist AFTER both arms straight.
I'm guessing a rather fullish mid to low iron with a very trapped golf ball screaming off towards the target.

Is he hitting to the right of the poor cameraman? Is he hitting a draw or a fade? Where is the plane line? Can anyone draw the plane line on this photo? TGM CSI?

I love this point of view. The real meat of the matter.
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