Ya! Them Mizunos are industry flat, correcto? This is what Okie is sqealing about up in here. I feel that a playa ought to be able to move from one plane to another, as long as he knows he is moving there! So, if you fit for the turned shoulder plane does that not eliminate an on center strike from the elbow plane? Someone posted something about Hogan's 1 iron, or 2 iron I forgotchid which had a dime size wear spot towards the heel. That could be cause his clubface was open at impact and seperation, or his lie angle was a wee bit upright for his elbow plane. So I am trying to determine if it is a sane line of reasoning to suggest a lie angle range (perhaps the degree of cambering ought to be another key factor) If you are going to have your clubs fixed for one plane then it would seem that cambering would encourage the possibility of setting up elbow when you want turned shoulder, savvy? I need to read a Tom Wishon novel, or sumpin' I'm starting to talk like Bucket!