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Old 11-12-2008, 08:41 AM
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Great answer. Thanks Mike.

This really shows that HK appreciated all golfing patterns (as long as aligned OK) irrespective of their individual components. G.O.L.F.
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Old 11-12-2008, 12:08 PM
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Mike - thanks again for commenting.

I can see what you are referring to - the "hanging back" appearance that is due to having the clubshaft swing center relating to the right elbow. However, if one saw a golfer with that pattern, why not simply teach him the standard pivot-drive swing (ala Hogan)?

Secondly, you refer to a left arm swing as being a swing where the i) clubshaft swing center is at the left shoulder and ii) the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4. However, in the pivot-driven swing the left arm is catapulted away from the chest wall (pressure point #4) when the pivot subsides - ala Hogan. Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?

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Old 11-12-2008, 12:47 PM
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Mike - thanks again for commenting.

Secondly, you refer to a left arm swing as being a swing where the i) clubshaft swing center is at the left shoulder and ii) the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4. However, in the pivot-driven swing the left arm is catapulted away from the chest wall (pressure point #4) when the pivot subsides - ala Hogan. Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?

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i) Let's just say for swingers that you have the right arm swing possibility or you have "the golf swing" i.e. left arm swinger. The only difference being the source of the acceleration and the resulting changing of centers. Now, it would be better to say or easier to see that the centers are different in the two. The right elbow or left shoulder centers are generalizations, not meant to be taken literally or measured directly i.e. those centers are moving.

ii) You're making a dinstinction or a division that I never made or at least running with and going onto a whole new topic of discussion. I said left side musculature (primarily) pulls the clubshaft. So I did not say "the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4 "


"Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?"
Sure- Anything but the right arm swing would have a "center at the left shoulder". Remember that we are really just talking about the swing center in this discussion. When you say ""Left arm swing style"" - you are really (for the reader) opening up a can of worms in regards to - Are we talking about or defining "What the movement feels like?" or "What muscles are actually being used?" or "What it looks like in pictures?" or "What the player is trying to do?". Without limiting the discussion or clearly defining the concept at hand - you quickly get off into the land of confusion (for the reader).
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:04 PM
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Mike - thanks again for commenting.

However, in the pivot-driven swing the left arm is catapulted away from the chest wall (pressure point #4) when the pivot subsides - ala Hogan.
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While Homer Kelley may have used something similar to "clarify a concept" - to use the above thought as a procedureal que in the golf swing most likely would be inaccurate and result in "throwaway".
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:47 PM
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Thank you for your clarifying comments. They make a lot of sense.

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Old 11-12-2008, 02:06 PM
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That "blasted" expression
Jeff,

#4 Accumulator is Radius Power and you will get Radius Power even with a gentle turn. The "blasting of the Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact", per 2-M-4, often gives the idea of a vicious action .
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:00 PM
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I agree that even a gentle pivot action can release PA#4 in a pivot driven swing. Do you believe that the left arm is launched by the deceleration of the upper body's pivot-rotation turn that occurs naturally in a body swinger or do you think that PA#4 starts to release even before the upper torso's rotational movement decelerates?

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Old 11-12-2008, 11:55 PM
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I agree that even a gentle pivot action can release PA#4 in a pivot driven swing. Do you believe that the left arm is launched by the deceleration of the upper body's pivot-rotation turn that occurs naturally in a body swinger or do you think that PA#4 starts to release even before the upper torso's rotational movement decelerates?

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I agree that even a gentle pivot action can release PA#4 in a pivot driven swing. Do you believe that the left arm is launched by the deceleration of the upper body's pivot-rotation turn that occurs naturally in a body swinger or do you think that PA#4 starts to release even before the upper torso's rotational movement decelerates?

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The Thrust of the Right Shoulder Turn is complete when it has reached its maximum speed, not the slowing down of the Pivot. After that the Pivot will continue to lead (Pivot Lag has no Release), but directions have been given to the Power Package.
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:53 PM
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Great answer. Thanks Mike.

This really shows that HK appreciated all golfing patterns (as long as aligned OK) irrespective of their individual components. G.O.L.F.
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