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Old 11-28-2008, 09:12 PM
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I presume that you made typo mistake when you said that the right elbow must be in a push position (rather than a punch position) because a push action (10-3-C) is not used in a full hitting stroke.
Oops, you are right, I corrected it!

Comming back to 4 barrel: have you tried it?
Do you feel it difficult to do?
If the gain was so little as stated by Homer why Ted (the Hitter's poster's boy) would be using it instead of 3 barrel?

My intuition is that maybe it is easier to do as it seems and maybe the rewards are greater than Homer thought?
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I am new to TGM and although I have tried the hitting technique I do not have a good hitting technique - I am therefore not sufficiently well-informed to comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action. Hopefully, accomplished hitters (like Ted) will comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action.

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Old 11-29-2008, 09:54 AM
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I am new to TGM and although I have tried the hitting technique I do not have a good hitting technique - I am therefore not sufficiently well-informed to comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action. Hopefully, accomplished hitters (like Ted) will comment on the pros and cons of a four barrel hitting action.

Jeff.
We're doing family things, today. So, I'll try to offer my 2 cents a little later...
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Thanks in advance Ted, we really enjoy your insights.

(Wondering what a Hitter could do on his WeekEnds? Probably taking care of his garden, digging around with his right arm to plant flowers with his family? How cute! )
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Thanks in advance Ted, we really enjoy your insights.

(Wondering what a Hitter could do on his WeekEnds? Probably taking care of his garden, digging around with his right arm to plant flowers with his family? How cute! )

My 3 year old and I were chopping trees down with axes. A company that sells carbon debits for $5 promises to chop down a tree for every purchase. They had to get someone to do it, so they hired me and my son. 114 trees fell today.

They asked if I knew any Swingers that could help. But, I told them that it might take too long for them to chop the trees down with their silk scarves. And, don't give me the speech about how fast the scarf can move!
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Originally Posted by yodeli View Post
Oops, you are right, I corrected it!

Comming back to 4 barrel: have you tried it?
Do you feel it difficult to do?
If the gain was so little as stated by Homer why Ted (the Hitter's poster's boy) would be using it instead of 3 barrel?

My intuition is that maybe it is easier to do as it seems and maybe the rewards are greater than Homer thought?
I don't know if Homer could see the future of golf equipment and golf courses. We've played courses in our Section events as long as 7800 yards. I know that the equipment has changed dramatically, but 6800 yards was long at one time. In our world, having distance is a great asset. I've got a course within miles of my house that's close to 8000 yards. There are three fairways that are unreachable, with a north-easterly wind. It's awesome for a masochist like me. I'd use six barrels if I had them.

In the audio from the Master's classes, Homer spoke more than once about the Swinger's Start Down being advantageous for both Swingers and Hitters.

In my own stroke, I love to feel the additional stretching of the right triceps (bending of the arm) in the Start Down, before the shortening of the triceps (straightening of the arm) in Release. It feels to me like a Major League pitcher. There's an obvious Pivot. Then there's a blast off of the Right Arm.

I like to use this analogy:

(If you've tried this, you might be a red-neck)

Someone standing on the hood of a stationary car can only jump so far.

Someone jumping from the hood of a moving car can jump farther.

The car could stop accelerating and the person could fly off.

The car can accelerate so fast the person becomes stuck to the windshield.
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I don't know if Homer could see the future of golf equipment and golf courses. We've played courses in our Section events as long as 7800 yards. I know that the equipment has changed dramatically, but 6800 yards was long at one time. In our world, having distance is a great asset. I've got a course within miles of my house that's close to 8000 yards. There are three fairways that are unreachable, with a north-easterly wind. It's awesome for a masochist like me. I'd use six barrels if I had them.

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Great post in my opinion. When reading Mr. Kelley's thoughts on using 4 barrels I thought about whether he would have changed his mind if he saw today's equipment. It requires so much less precision in ball striking, and as Mr. YodasLuke said, power is far more important these days...

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Great post in my opinion. When reading Mr. Kelley's thoughts on using 4 barrels I thought about whether he would have changed his mind if he saw today's equipment. It requires so much less precision in ball striking, and as Mr. YodasLuke said, power is far more important these days...
Kevin,

There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get.

Use Accumulator Combination 1-2-3 (think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact). Combine this Action with a Standard Pivot (10-12-A), and let the Right Shoulder take care of itself (any Active participation will qualify as #4). Also, experiment with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) and note any difference in trajectory.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised!

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Kevin,

There is no reason to forego the 4-Barrel Stroke. Just use the Right Arm Throw Trigger (10-20-B) and see what you get.

Use Accumulator Combination 1-2-3 (think Drive and "Unrelenting Thrust" through Impact). Combine this Action with a Standard Pivot (10-12-A), and let the Right Shoulder take care of itself (any Active participation will qualify as #4). Also, experiment with the Non-Automatic Random Sweep Release (10-24-B) and note any difference in trajectory.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised!

Yoda,

Great information, I can't wait to give it a whirl. I really appreciate the ideas!

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Great information, I can't wait to give it a whirl. I really appreciate the ideas!
I second Kevin on that.

I can Swing or Hit pretty well now, but I always felt that Swinging was easy but too "gentle" and that Hitting was very structured and accurate but lacking rotary power.

Yoda, I'm very happy you confirm that 4 barrel could be done that way:
I was never sure of that and therefore restrained myself not to do it, too afraid to put some "bad moves" into my computer!

But now, I know I can unleash the beast!
Yeepee, great stuff, thanks!
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