Active pivot versus reactive pivot

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12PB

Very good post!

I agree that the primary need is to get the hands down-and-out on the plane whatever the method of releasing PA#4.

It is very interesting that the golf style that keeps the left arm across the chest (keeping PA#4 loaded) for the longest time is the Hardy OPS. However, the Hardy OPS golfer manages to keep the clubshaft on-plane during the time period that PA#4 remains loaded because of the bent-over posture and their rotary pivot style where the upper and lower torso turn as a single unit.

OBLeft

Thanks for he advice. I have just received the Alignment Golf DVDs (which I haven't yet viewed) and I will look into the MacDonald drills.

Jeff.

Jeff . . . . Don't know much about Hardy's stuff . . . . but I would submit that this guy IS releasing #4 or at least it looks that way to me.

I think the holding on to #4 the longest pattern is the one that a certain someone says . . . . have your elbow seek your navel and have your head bob backwards as a result of having to get so much axis tilt to actually get to the ball . . .and then rotate the face to the ground and call it "hinging" or maintaining a flat left wrist. It is the one that raped me . . .

[okie]

When exactly is # 4 out of ammo? Another plea for a centered head. Does a sway interfere with a players ability to swing the left arm across the chest?

[12 piece bucket]

When exactly is # 4 out of ammo? Another plea for a centered head. Does a sway interfere with a players ability to swing the left arm across the chest?

Jethro . . . See the pic 6-B-4-0 #2 . . . . it's basically spent when it's in line with the shoulder joint . . . 90 degrees . . . . so it's loaded then as the arm swings down it is releasing and released at 90.

I'd say that physical limitations and plane angle or just plain bad concepts (such as "I have to have width in my backswing") limit the left arm going across the chest. Not sure swaying would on the backstroke . . . HOWEVER I think HOLDING ON TO #4 can certainly result in Bobs and or Sways or uncocked right wrists because of a radius disruption or plane shift resulting from the hands being pulled under or over plane . . . you gotta figure out how to get the clubhead on the ball via some sort of compensation . . .

[Jeff]

12PB

PA#4 is releasing in that last image. I merely wanted to state that Hardy OPS golfers turn very fast in the early downswing and maintain a powerful torso rotation throughout the downswing. That means that any upper torso deceleration will be later - compared to a standard active pivot action swing - and therefore PA#4 release will delayed. However, the clubshaft will still be on plane during the time period that PA#4 is unreleased - because of the golfers bent-over posture and arm release angle.

Jeff.

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12PB

PA#4 is releasing in that last image. I merely wanted to state that Hardy OPS golfers turn very fast in the early downswing and maintain a powerful torso rotation throughout the downswing. That means that any upper torso deceleration will be later - compared to a standard active pivot action swing - and therefore PA#4 release will delayed. However, the clubshaft will still be on plane during the time period that PA#4 is unreleased - because of the golfers bent-over posture and arm release angle.

Jeff.

Jeff . . . much of this has to do with plane angle and how "deep" the hands go (which is also related to plane angle) . . . . Inorder for the pivot and hands to comply to the "flatter" plane angle and "deeper" hands . . . the pivot can be more "rotary" . . . because there is simply more out in that plane . . . .

However regardless of the plane angle there has to be some hip slide and releasing of #4 to comply with the plane . . . the steeper the plane the more slidy and faster #4 has to go just due to where the hands are in space relative to the ball. Spin to quick on a steep plane and you shatter Mr. Hogan's pane all to pieces. That being said . . . . Mr. Hogan released #4 FAST and went WAAAAAY forward with the hips . . . but he did pretty much whatever he wanted to do.

[O.B.Left]

However regardless of the plane angle there has to be some hip slide and releasing of #4 to comply with the plane. Spin to quick on a steep plane and you shatter Mr. Hogan's pane all to pieces.

Agreed. Like Totally.

Prior to TGM the Judge and I travelled to Florida to get some One Plane lessons. The pro there was not entirely Hardy based so I dont know how relative this is but I can tell you that afterwards I struggled with pulls , divots pointing left of the hole and the odd "s word". The Judge (hope he isnt reading this) suffered from the elbow saw take away (no EA) and an early rotation off his back foot in transition. Too much rotation , too early, roundhousing.

The teacher in question has one fine, fine swing and is a great guy but I can today see through my TGM eyes that his right hip is cleared, his weight is left and his axis is tilted.

And now, thanks be to Yoda (TBTY), so is mine. Straight Divots just flying down the fairway. Being a Nawthaner and having to replace the things, its making for a lot more walking.

O.B.

Warning: Results may vary. Any reference to axis tilt is in the context of the posters personal preference as implied, weight left and cleared right hip are however implored regardless of users chosen pattern.