LagPressure might not agree 100% with what we are learning here, but without question, he lives and loves G.O.L.F. Mr. Erickson has tested his love for G.O.L.F. competitively on many tours around the world, against some of the greatest players in the game, and lives his life trying to pass along what he has learned.
For pure TGM, I love it here. YODA and many others on this board are those who I aspire to be like, but there are others like Lag that deserve our respect as well. I have learned a LOT from Lag's posts on iSeek, and appreciate his contributions very much. I believe Lag and YODA would become fast friends and I would welcome Lag's contributions here as well.
Go Brian Gay!
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John ACTIVELY thrusts at the ball. It's scary how hard too. Those old persimmons scream at impact. We got together post Cuscowilla in San Fran and enjoyed a round at Mare Island with the old gear.
I'm not criticizing his Golf or his passion for TGM and the game. However, he's not a Hitter no matter how much Right Arm Muscle you think he uses before, during or after Impact.
He's not Radially Driving or Accelerating the Primary Lever. If you want to use Right Arm Muscle to Accelerate the Secondary Lever, then by all means, do so. He loads the Clubshaft at the Top. He does not Load the Primary Lever.
He may think he Pushes with his Right Arm, but it's a Pull. Like a Horse in a harness pulling a cart. Is the Horse Pushing or Pulling? Driving or Dragging? It may feel like pushing the Clubshaft (Straightening his Right Elbow) and Pulling the Clubshaft simultaneously during the Downstroke. That does not make him a Hitter or a 4 Barrel Hitter. It's all about Elbow Location.
Everything he does is all about the Clubshaft. He's a Swinger.
Erickson told me that the best way to train the hands is to actively fire the hands from pitch because pitch increases the angle of the right forearm and the shaft at the parallel before impact ( He calls this the P3 4:30 line) therefore increasing the range of motion for the hands to travel, but it takes a lot of work to train the hands to fire that fast actively.
He said the advantage of this is that you can increase the rotation of the 3rd accumulator,and you gain the advantage of drive loading into impact, therefore actively taking control of impact with the hands, not relying on a dead hand CF hand throw release into a full roll horizontal hinge. He also said that by going this route, you can steepen the angle of attack from a more true low point ball position which puts all the geometry on your side.
He told me the secret of golf is to hold shaft flex into impact because a pre stressed shaft will resist the forces of impact better than an unstressed one, and that pre stress also puts more feel in the hands of the player.
It was hard to argue after watching him pure the ball around the golf course with a set of Hogan Bounce Soles from the 1960's.
John told me that he believes Hogan did exactly what he said in Five Lessons. Wishing he had 3 right hands is exactly correct, and that when he learned this secret of actively hitting with the hands from "pitch" he was able to gain all the benefits of doing so. It sure looks to me this is what is happening.
Hi Justin, thanks for posting the swing - I hope John doesn't mind us chatting about it.
Whilst I am not quite as "by the book" as Daryl it does appear that John has picked many components which are more compatible with swinging.
It seems that he has found a variation which is rarely discussed in TGM and to some extent contrary to convention...quite a rare beast...
In my profession (medicine) when patients come thinking that they have the most rare and bizarre disease...one usually finds that they have an unusual presentation of a more common disease rather than their preferred interpretation (ie. a typical variation of an extremely rare disease)!
I therefore naturally wonder whether John has an unusual right arm sensation whilst doing a typical "swing".....rather than an rare and unconventional version of "hit".
Does he state that he loads the shaft at "end" using drag loading and the uses active triceps thrust (his hitting/drive load) from a pitch position to add or sustain shaft bend through impact??
What hinge action does his motion naturally produce? horizontal or angled?
His feeling of triceps thrust from pitch - how does that differ from the extensor action that one can feel when you "swing" - could he just be using LOADS of extensor action - hence feeling like active thrust? If he uses massive pivot thrust..wounldn't he have to use an equally large amount of extensor action to maintain structure....so much extensor action that it could be misinterpreted as a hit??
John uses a Sequenced Release on the Elbow Plane from a Pitched Elbow Location.
From Top to End he Rolls his Right Wrist (Cocks) and so he uses a Clockwise Turn to Return the Shaft to Plane during his initial Startdown (Like Hogan and many other great Golfers).
The 4:30 Shaft Position at P3-Release results from the Cocked Right Wrist.
But my point, to be exact, is that he is not Hitting. He is Pulling the Clubshaft Lengthwise. He may use Right Triceps Muscle, etc. It may feel like a Push.
I'm not dissing this guy. I'm not looking for an argument. But he lacks a Structured Power Package and its Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. So he uses his Right Arm to Accelerate the Clubshaft but CF still Accelerates the Clubhead.
I believe John is a hitter, every sensation he describes is a hit and he is very knowledgeable as it relates to the golfing machine. And no one should question whether or not he compresses the ball.
What is interesting to me is the difference in his motion and the hitting motion of our's truly Mr. Ted Fort.
Significant differences in their motions. Ted sets up at impact fix with a bent right wrist, maintains the structure and takes it to the top and then drives the bent right wrist down and smashes the ball.
Mr. Ericson, aka lagpressure on the other hand has a standard setup, hinges his right wrist and actively turns and unhinges through and past impact. He also takes his backswing to finish.
Now let me ask this, If I actively bend the right wrist on the backswing and unbend it on the downswing, however, it is still slightly bent and the hands are in front of the clubhead at impact, is that not still hitting? Did I not obtain the objective of a bent right wrist at impact driven by the right side, just with a more dynamic movement as opposed to a static one?
Both Ted and John are using their right side, just different styles and both are incredibly effective.
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