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Old 07-08-2009, 07:28 PM
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Only If the Right Elbow Stops moving Simultaneously Down-out-and-Forward On-Plane will you run into Right Arm Swinging.
I've been gnawing on this statement and can't reconcile it.

Why is this a requirement?
Any swing center can be in motion and in most cases, the left shoulder is continually in motion around the pivot center.
If the Right Elbow Slows or changes direction by going Off-Plane or Stops, then it is no longer Lagging the Pivot Center or Left Shoulder.

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6-M-1 DOWNSTROKE SEQUENCE The Downstroke sequence of the Stroke Components is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force; acceleration of a lagging Component will cease at the instant it achieves an “In-Line” position with its immediately preceding Component.

Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered, and timed as the players understanding and skill permit. But the Club’s Swing Radius (6-B-0) ends at the “non-lagging” Component nearest to the Clubhead. The “Centers” of the Stroke start with the Feet or the employed Component nearest to the feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation. For maximum Power, the position of must be taken with that will allow Delay of the Release until all Components, except the Right Foot and Right Shoulder, have reached, or passed the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball per 6-B-1-C. Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.

Power Accumulators Release sequence is #4, #1, #2, #3 – regardless of which ones are being employed. Any Accumulator number may overlap or replace its preceding number but cannot precede it. Increase Overlap to increase THRUST – decrease Overlap to increase Velocity.

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Old 07-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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Great quote Daryl!

My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...

I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!

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Old 07-08-2009, 08:41 PM
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Great quote Daryl!

My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...

I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!

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Kevin,

I'm such a jerk, but I can't help it.

You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:

4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5

((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))


He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.

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Old 07-08-2009, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Kevin,

I'm such a jerk, but I can't help it.

You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:

4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5

((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))


He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.

Don't be angry GolfGuru, it's all said in fun.
Trouble Maker!

I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!

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Old 07-08-2009, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
Trouble Maker!

I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!

Kevin
Dear Kevin,

Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.

At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.

Then you'll have a Mac and John student.

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Dear Kevin,

Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.

At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.

Then you'll have a Mac and John student.

Warm Regards,

Daryl
Thanks Daryl, I ALWAYS appreciate your insight !

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The Horse Speaketh...
John sent me this e mail this morning..

"I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from
pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch"
it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them
to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..

This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen
with hitters using punch.

The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms
with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands.

By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this
pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth."

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