My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...
I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
My biggest problem with Mr. Erickson's teaching is that he releases the accumulators 1-2-3-4. Pretty big sausage hanging there for a Homer Kelley fanatic, as I am striving to be...
I can overlook some things, bringing my own swing thoughts back to the book, but I enjoy Lag's philosophy on playing the game, and really enjoy his enthusiasm. Sometimes it's tough to find good, positive people to talk G.O.L.F. with outside LBG and our friends at iSeek. When trying to understand the book, Lynn Blake Golf is the place to be!
Kevin
Kevin,
I'm such a jerk, but I can't help it.
You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:
4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5
((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))
He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.
You forgot the Newly Discovered Fifth Accumulator and he does admit to using #4 at Startdown and Impact. So, the corrected order of Release is:
4 - 1 - 2&3 - 4 - 5
((((((Actually, to become an Accumulator, you first need an out-of-line condition to Accumulate and Release.
But don't say anything and maybe nobody will notice)))))))
He is fun to read and has a refreshing perspective on all things Golf. I read everything he writes. And,,, he has had a sobering influence on those British Criminals Down-Under.
Don't be angry GolfGuru, it's all said in fun.
Trouble Maker!
I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I don't know a ton about Mac's teaching, but it seems to me Lag has discovered some of the same things as Mac. I don't think I'm smart enough to ever learn enough about Homer Kelley to move on from G.O.L.F. The yellow book is my chosen rest-of-my-life long study, but guys like Erickson are a huge help to my learning just in the fact that they support TGM so enthusiastically!
Kevin
Dear Kevin,
Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.
At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.
Please allow me to clear the uncertainty about Mac and John.
At ground zero, place a Professional Golfer. 100,000 miles away, place a TGM Golfer. Then, accelerate them to the speed of light toward each other so that the collision will fuse them together.
Then you'll have a Mac and John student.
Warm Regards,
Daryl
Thanks Daryl, I ALWAYS appreciate your insight !
Kevin
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"I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from
pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch"
it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them
to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..
This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen
with hitters using punch.
The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms
with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands.
By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this
pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth."
"I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from
pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch"
it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them
to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..
This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen
with hitters using punch.
The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms
with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands.
By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this
pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth."
You offered a Video of a 4 Barrel Hitter and asked what anyone thought. I claimed he isn't a 4 Barrel Hitter. I'm correct, but that's beside the point. Thank you for offering the video.
If John wants to redefine a few terms and invent a couple of others, it's ok so long as we all understand the meaning of the Terms. John has found a Pattern that he thinks is very effective and holds up under pressure. He certainly has the credentials to know. He should want and embrace critical review and I'm sure that he does. It's unfortunate that he got me first because I'm about middle of the road on TGM knowledge/Application. More knowledgeable members of this Forum must be sleeping.
But I might be a little more sensitive to these kinds issues because I believe that TGM is a System/Method. Everyone else and John consider TGM only a set of Concepts, Theories, and Components to manipulate into personal custom Patterns, whereas I actually believe in 12-2-0 (6th Edition) and that a Flat Left Wrist is a Flat-Left-Wrist.
But lets be clear that John is teaching a Pattern and that he uses some freedom in redefining TGM terminology to put a name to it. 4 Barrel Hitting.
I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there..
This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach,
including Hogan's three right hands.
Im just catching up with this post. I love his swing and find his email above very interesting.
Couple of questions/thoughts.
-I dont doubt he does thrust but am wondering about his description of it. How does he fire #2 and #3 at the same time from Pitch elbow? I can see how he can fire #2 with his PP #3 (in its weak knuckle position) actively but wouldnt firing #3 at the same time result in an off plane clubhead orbit? I dunno.
-The 4;30 Angle of Approach, point of contact on the ball , the inside aft quadrant , the inside strike or whatever you want to call it, does not in actuality remain constant. The point of contact on the ball or its corresponding time, changes as the ball position approaches low point on the Angle or Arc of Approach. So 4;30 sometimes 3;00 some other times. Or is he suggesting the ball should be played that far back of low point at all times, driver too?
-I dont read the other forums very often but in regard to Hogan's "three right hands" have you guys discussed this video in that regard. Here Hogan appears to be really laying it on hard with the right side near impact. I dont think that this would make him a hitter however, Pitch being a very week elbow position from which to over ride all of his swing induced CF. If you have a team of horses at the front of the cart and one, albeit a stallion at the rear, is it a pulling or pushing machine?
-in regard to Baggers right arm swinging notion. Does he suffer from Golfers Elbow?
-did Homer lay the ground work for thrusting from Pitch in 10-24-D Non Automatic Snap Release?
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