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My NUMBER ONE question to any biomechanic type would be . . . . do they understand how the club works . . . . if they don't understand the face and the plane . . . . no need to talk about it. If you ain't got a grasp of the 3 functions and the line of compression . . . all the motion stuff can be compromised in it's ultimate objective in my opinion. You still gotta start with the clubface and ball and work the components from there.
Of course that being said . . . plenty of people have got really good based on some goofball pga manual instruction . . . .so who knows.
My NUMBER ONE question to any biomechanic type would be . . . . do they understand how the club works . . . . if they don't understand the face and the plane . . . . no need to talk about it. If you ain't got a grasp of the 3 functions and the line of compression . . . all the motion stuff can be compromised in it's ultimate objective in my opinion. You still gotta start with the clubface and ball and work the components from there.
Of course that being said . . . plenty of people have got really good based on some goofball pga manual instruction . . . .so who knows.
Sounds a little like what TGM as a company was trying to accomplish with the Bio-Mechanical manuals. Good stuff for physicians who understand the golf swing. It all has to start with the little yellow book or they've got nada. Just my opinion.
Kevin
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What does Homer base his work on Newton's Laws.
In Golf Biomechanics we apply Newton's Laws.
Homer talks in mecahanical aspects in hinges and levers, coming from an engineering back ground. Homer has great information.
Homer has theories and very good theories, although he doesn't tell you application or how to train or how to make the theories work in practice.
So how do you teach TGM and how do you apply it?
In order for geometry work you need physics.
A plane can't fly without an engine.
Sure there are biomechanic companies which just do pure research.
There are also others which look at how movement patterns work and research ways to build programs how to train the body how to create correct movement patterns.
Ok how do you expect someone to get on plane and achieve a flat left wrist if they have a huge lateral slide. Club can't move on plane if it has no axis to move around,Homer says a pivot.
Which is your body.
If your arms are decelerating due to the lateral slide.
How do you prevent them from breaking down and scoping.
Teach them plane line and educate hands? when you have no pivot.(your body)
Or how about simply teach them how to create better lower body mechanics.
Create ground forces and hip rotation so they get rid of the lateral slide. Then they have a pivot,then you can get the club on plane and achieve a flat left wrist.
Here's my question how can you teach someone golf when you don't understand how the human body functions. how your body moves, how your body creates speed, how the muscles work and what your body limitations are so you don't get injuries and so you don't teach people to move your body in ways it's not designed to.
My question is how can you apply homers work. The Pivot(human Body) is the foundation of homers work. So how can you apply homers work when you don't understand how the human body (PIVOT) works.
Good luck, I'd been around TGM all my life and taught TGM as well. I soon learn the that we need a pivot.
I hope one day you all come to realize this as well for the better of the game we all love. The Game of Golf
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What does Homer base his work on Newton's Laws.
...Good luck, I'd been around TGM all my life and taught TGM as well. I soon learn the that we need a pivot.
I hope one day you all come to realise this as well for the better of the game we all love. The Game of Golf
Good luck to you as well bioengine. With your passion you will be very successful.
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
What does Homer base his work on Newton's Laws.
In Golf Biomechanics we apply Newton's Laws.
Homer talks in mecahanical aspects in hinges and levers, coming from an engineering back ground. Homer has great information.
Homer has theories and very good theories, although he doesn't tell you application or how to train or how to make the theories work in practice.
So how do you teach TGM and how do you apply it?
In order for geometry work you need physics.
A plane can't fly without an engine.
Sure there are biomechanic companies which just do pure research.
There are also others which look at how movement patterns work and research ways to build programs how to train the body how to create correct movement patterns.
Ok how do you expect someone to get on plane and achieve a flat left wrist if they have a huge lateral slide. Club can't move on plane if it has no axis to move around,Homer says a pivot.
Which is your body.
If your arms are decelerating due to the lateral slide.
How do you prevent them from breaking down and scoping.
Teach them plane line and educate hands? when you have no pivot.(your body)
Or how about simply teach them how to create better lower body mechanics.
Create ground forces and hip rotation so they get rid of the lateral slide. Then they have a pivot,then you can get the club on plane and achieve a flat left wrist.
Here's my question how can you teach someone golf when you don't understand how the human body functions. how your body moves, how your body creates speed, how the muscles work and what your body limitations are so you don't get injuries and so you don't teach people to move your body in ways it's not designed to.
My question is how can you apply homers work. The Pivot(human Body) is the foundation of homers work. So how can you apply homers work when you don't understand how the human body (PIVOT) works.
Good luck, I'd been around TGM all my life and taught TGM as well. I soon learn the that we need a pivot.
I hope one day you all come to realize this as well for the better of the game we all love. The Game of Golf
OK so a couple of things here . . . .
1. I'd say the first piece again is how the club works. There are plenty of people with crappy pivots that can still play golf because instinctively they know how the face and the club works. But I will agree with you that a functioning pivot certainly is important.
2. Sure we want to understand something about how the body works agreed. So let us define a few parameters to again focus the discussion. How much slide? How much turn? And we talk about that . . . in relation to what? The ball? Also . . . . what plane? The plane angle requires different components in the pivot wouldn't you say? Is there an "optimum" plane from a biomechanics standpoint? What type of shot are you trying to hit? Does that have different pivot requirements?
Bucket,
I will get back to you on this, I spent sometime replying to your questions and the site crashed on me.
on a quick note golf is a dynamic and power ballistic sport.
One think I do disagree on is positions and angles. I see other companies speak about the hips being open x amount of degrees etc.
Yeah great thats going to help us, for example one mob beleive the hips are 40 degress at impact, Great so how do you get your hips to be 40 degress at impact??? how do we know where 40 degress is in space.
What's important is how to train the body to create effective movement patterns and dynamics so we create good position and angles.
I will answer your questions further in the next few days.
Bucket,
I will get back to you on this, I spent sometime replying to your questions and the site crashed on me.
on a quick note golf is a dynamic and power ballistic sport.
One think I do disagree on is positions and angles. I see other companies speak about the hips being open x amount of degrees etc.
Yeah great thats going to help us, for example one mob beleive the hips are 40 degress at impact, Great so how do you get your hips to be 40 degress at impact??? how do we know where 40 degress is in space.
What's important is how to train the body to create effective movement patterns and dynamics so we create good position and angles.
I will answer your questions further in the next few days.
Thanks I look forward to your reply . . . . I don't disagree with the angles piece necessarily . . . However, I think if you look at swings like Snead vs. Hogan vs. Nelson vs. Jack vs. Palmer vs. Buck they all had very dynamic but very different pivots and sequencing . . . much to do with different ball flights . . . the pivot can have MAJOR implications on launch conditions via differences in the angle of approach and angle of attack.
That being said there are probably common demoninators as well . . .
Good discussion . . . thanks for putting the time in.
Bucket,
Due to privacy agreements with tour players, I can't mention names.
Over the years the boys have provided evaluations to at least 4 former number 1 players in the world over the years.
Interesting enough.
They all had 6-M-1 starting form the ground. This was measured.
They all had an awesome kinetic link (6-M-1).
at impact their hips were open between 20 to 25 degrees.
Hips and shoulders were perpendicular to their spine at impact. So hips and shoulder were square to each other at impact.
With minimal right lateral bending.
Then all had good muscular loading. Fire and load muscle in right sequence in swing.
The way they fired their body in sequence was all very similar.
All had ground forces and stable lower body mechanics, which stabilized at impact, actually their hip counter torque at impact.
Once the upper body was square to their hips at impact and club was released the hips and shoulder turned to finish position as together as one.
Like all these guys above appear to be similar.
This is what is interesting, their geometry all looked different,
even though their physics was the same, they created similar movement patterns. One thing which was the same is their sequence or kinetic link to start the downswing were the same. ( 6-M-1)
Although their plane work around the axis of their spine.
Is interesting even though their physics were identical their geometry appeared different. There swing all looked unique and different to each other.
I thinks it's pretty cool.
Primarily we focus on is creating the right physics and movement patterns. Then create training programs for each person so they can develop effective movement patterns.
Basically what we do is screen a golfers to measure their movement patterns, then create a program to improve movement patterns to create the right physics and develop a kineticlink (6-M-1
Last edited by bioengine : 08-04-2009 at 01:41 PM.
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