OK stankbutt . . . .I take issue with it's OK to shift the plane angle if you "as long as any shifts still allow the sweetspot/clubhead feel to maintain it's relationship to the plane line." We had this discussion befo . . . if you raise the handle up . . the face angle magnet dealie (face vector) is out to the right . . . if you lower it down it's to the left . . . You can trace a straight plane line and still hit the ball crooked as if somebody hired you to run a bank. #3 disruption = potential direction issue regardless if you can trace a line better'n you trace a doctor's signature on prescriptions for Ox or flea and tick deterant.
I would certainly pay attention to any advice Mikey has on wrist hurting . . . or hair removal from palms.
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Yes, you should set-up at the appropriate plane angle that you'll be coming back into at impact- but during full swings you'll see shifting planes during the swing.
Please follow your wife's, doctor's and my advice and get back on the medication - we're begging!
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Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
Can you set up at impact fix with everything on plane? Yes.
There's the answer.
The left arm is not on plane (#3 accum) by definition.
The right forearm is, with a little bend left in the elbow. (Impact is to occur before maximum extension.)
The definition of the Flying Wedges.
If the right shoulder does not move down on plane, it must move somewhere else, which requires compensation.
ndwolfe is not moving the right shoulder down the plane angle. It could be the right hip is in the way.
Can you set up at impact fix with everything on plane? Yes.
There's the answer.
The left arm is not on plane (#3 accum) by definition.
The right forearm is, with a little bend left in the elbow. (Impact is to occur before maximum extension.)
The definition of the Flying Wedges.
If the right shoulder does not move down on plane, it must move somewhere else, which requires compensation.
ndwolfe is not moving the right shoulder down the plane angle. It could be the right hip is in the way.
Thanks Loren. I hate to belabour the point, but when you say "everything" I dont think you are including the right shoulder to which ndwolfe alludes. You are of course, correct in that the right shoulder should not be on the inclined plane at Fix. In Startdown perhaps, if you so choose. Its seems as if the Right Forearm and the Right Shoulder cant travel the inclined plane together if there is any elbow bend. They may take turns on it but not together.
You could I suppose get the right shoulder and the RFFW on the inclined plane at Fix but only with a perfectly straight right arm. A death move or should I say death alignment, unless you are putting maybe.
Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
I think I answered it . . . to my satisfaction anyhow . . . ball knows if the club is on plane from impact to separation . . don't know squat about your shoulder or forearm . . .
I think I answered it . . . to my satisfaction anyhow . . . ball knows if the club is on plane from impact to separation . . don't know squat about your shoulder or forearm . . .
Thanks Stanker
I'm kind of surprised you're saying the ball wouldnt know the mechanical advantage or structure of the right forearm being on plane. More mass, more structure, more leverage, etc. Ill throw you a mulligan on that one if you want. I dont think you meant that the way im reading it, anyways.
If the right shoulder moves down the TSP in Startdown but it aint on the TSP at Impact........... has it shifted its plane of motion, (again)? Im not saying that it should be on the TSP at impact, but it is an interesting question from ndwolfe.
Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
I answered the question.
Unfortunately, some of us (not Loren) are confused about the differences between Plane Angle, Plane Reference Points, Clubshaft Control, etc. I won't name anyone.
Gentlemen, fellow Stankbutts , I sense ndwolfe's question remains unanswered.
Namely, given the advice to take the right shoulder down plane or at the ball in Start Down, should the right shoulder (shaft , right foremarm) be on the inclined plane at impact? Any amount of #3 angle or right arm bend would make this impossible no? What gives?
Unless you do something really strange duruing a full swing- the right shoulder would be on plane during start down but obviously at release and impact it is no where near the plane.
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Unless you do something really strange duruing a full swing- the right shoulder would be on plane during start down but obviously at release and impact it is no where near the plane.
Where should the right shoulder be at impact and release?
I'm still kinda of lost, mainly because the photos in the amazing changes section. The plane is always the turned shoulder plane that people are on thoughout the downstroke and impact.
That makes me think that Ted and Lynn are trying to get students on that plane during downstroke, release point and impact. I would think they must feel this is the best choice. I spent 3 hours with Lynn a couple years ago but we didn't get to use the video system. If we would have been able to then I would prolly be much more clear about these planes.
I know tgm isn't one set way, but why would the plane in the amazing changes section always be the turned shoulder plane?
I want the plane that gives me most compression and is easiest for me to get a forward leaning clubshaft at impact.
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