Basic Motion

[Daryl]

Hinge action does not require #3.

If you zero #3, all hinge action effectively becomes angled hinge action in rhythm, but you can certainly do all three hinges with zero #3.

Dear Comrade EdZ,

You made duplicate "Hinge Motion" by zeroing #3 but you cannot duplicate "Hinge Action" using this procedure.

7-10 All these types can also be duplicated (exactly) with Wrist only, Arms only or Body only manipulations using Minor Basic Strokes. But all must produce Rhythm per 2-G. Use the “Turn” Feel to determine the “Roll” Feel. Per special purposes a selected Impact Hinge Action might also be applied to the entire Stroke (becoming Stroke Pattern Component #18 also). Or initiated at ANY point prior to Impact. With either procedure, precision is unattainable without – among other requirements – correct Rhythm in both directions. Experimentation with all three Rhythms per 2-G is about the best drill for understanding the results of excessive or inadequate Turn and/or Roll of the Hands during the Stroke in order to avoid doing either unintentionally.

If you Zero out #3 Accumulator by placing the grip of the club in the lifeline of the left hand, then all clubhead travel is the same as "Angled Hinging". Where, by gosh, is the difference in Rhythm?

It may look like a duck, walk like a Duck and quack like a duck. But it might only be "Daffy Duck".

2-G. Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm.

Oh? I forgot. What is the Title to 2-G? Could someone look that up? I don't have my book in front of me at the moment. Oh wait, I remember...."Hinge Motion"

[GPStyles]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

[bray]

Daryl,

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

10-10-0 is titled Hinge Actions (Hinging)
In all the pictures associated with Hinging/Hinge Actions
the Hinge is mounted on the left shoulder, not the left wrist.

These are the three motions we are talking about
Horizontal, Angled, Vertical
regardless of maximum #3 or zero #3.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

[Daryl]

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

2-G. The Physics of Hinging is, that, Hitting or Swinging, “Roll” is actually imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting Arms per 2-K#4 and 2-K#5 as described in 10-18. Practice these motions first with open Hands cause of the Flat Left Wrist, must always travel at the same RPM as the Arms and reproduce the Hinging inherent in the selected Lag Loading procedure (10-19) per 4-D, 9-2 and 9-3, regardless of Clubhead Extension velocity. See 2-P and 7-18.

...........The KEY to this Rhythm is the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). As part of the above drill, hold the 45 degree Arm position while rotating the Hands and the #3 Accumulator through the three Hinging positions, over and over until you see that each position changes the LOCATION of the Clubhead. The Point to note here is that with each Hinge Action the #3 Accumulator has a different “In Line” motion – Dual Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel and Dual Vertical the shortest. This agrees with the “Roll Characteristics” discussed in 7-10 and must be so executed to produce proper Rhythm. Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm. So – intentional use of Zero Accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous.

[BerntR]

Great thread,

Yoda descibed my stroke with the hands too low as a "sea of compensation" Feels really weird with the on-plane right forearm at fix. But also extremely solid through the ball. So now I am practicing basic motion in the garden. A little turf, a club and three balls is all that's needed.

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

[YodasLuke]

Question:

What are the quality criteria as far as ball striking goes in basic motion?

I try to approach this as I would approach the short game. Solid ball contact, trajectory & distance control. With proper stroke execution. Just want to know if I have the right focus here. Maybe I should just pay attention to alignments an disregard the result?

Start with 3-F-5.

I like the "maybe I should" part...forget the ball.

Is my Left Wrist Flat?
Am I pointing at the Plane Line?
Did I arrive at the Both Arms Straight Position?

[BerntR]

Thanks Ted,

Actually, the "sea of compensation" comment made a big difference to my motivation. A few years ago when I took lessons (sometimes frequently) I became used to hear that I was doing fine. It worked for quick fixes but not for building a proper stroke. And certainly not for self correction while playing. I guess the pros lowered their expectations because I'm a bit like Homer was. I need explicit & precise knowledge.

The thing I am sensing now while working on getting the right forearm on plane is that the lower the forearm is at fix compared to the inclined plane, the longer the right elbow will be below the inclined plane in the down stroke - and the longer I can drive effectively with my right hand. Does that make sense?

There is a substantial risk that I will keep drifting towards the old low hands' fix. But there is also a risk that I overdo the changes if I put my mind into not drifting back.

For a perfect impact fix: What should the (mirror) image of the right forearm on plane look like down the line? Should the clubshaft be parallell to the center of the forearm or should it point at the inside of the elbow joint or what?

I hope I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

[bray]

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

Daryl,

Reading it as Homer wrote "your bolding" in post 32 it just further proves my point.

With zero #3 in basic motion one can employ any of the three hinge actions the clubhead will always finish in the same spot at follow through (both arms straight approx. two feet through) because of zero #3, but the face can be laying back (vertical hinge), closed (horizontal hinge), or closed and laying back (angled hinge). These follow throughs reflect the clubfaces motion through impact and seperation. As edz pointed out the essence of Chapter 2.

Now Zero #3 can make the plane steeper which could make a Vertical Hinge easier to achieve than a Horizontal, but still all three can be achieved.

I know this because my machine can produce these shots, and I've taught it and seen it taught by many of the finest Golfing Machine Teachers in the Land!

Sorting Through the Circuit Player's Handbook and Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

[O.B.Left]

Bray I love that avatar of yours. What club house is that in the background? The sweaters nice too....sorry for the "thread" jack...thats for Drew, I know it pretty bad.

[Daryl]

Daryl,

Reading it as Homer wrote "your bolding" in post 32 it just further proves my point.

With zero #3 in basic motion one can employ any of the three hinge actions the clubhead will always finish in the same spot at follow through (both arms straight approx. two feet through) because of zero #3, but the face can be laying back (vertical hinge), closed (horizontal hinge), or closed and laying back (angled hinge). These follow throughs reflect the clubfaces motion through impact and seperation. As edz pointed out the essence of Chapter 2.

Now Zero #3 can make the plane steeper which could make a Vertical Hinge easier to achieve than a Horizontal, but still all three can be achieved.

I know this because my machine can produce these shots, and I've taught it and seen it taught by many of the finest Golfing Machine Teachers in the Land!

Sorting Through the Circuit Player's Handbook and Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

B-Ray,

I appreciate your response. I do understand your point of view that one can simulate the Clubface motions associated with the three basic planes while zero-ing out the #3 Accumulator. I don't doubt that you perform this flawlessly and I've seen it done by others as well. I’m not an instructor but I understand the need to teach Hinging in an understandable way.

I’m struggling with two separate issues with naming this demonstration – “Hinge Action”. I'm not opposed to naming it Hinge Action for teaching purposes but I don't think that it's Hinge Action exactly by the book.

First, we all agree that with Zero #3 Accumulator, “all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm”. Second, we also agree that the Rotating Shoulders impart “Roll” (closing) to the Clubface.

In your demonstration, Basic Motion prohibits shoulder rotation, “Roll” as we know it, and Zero #3 Accumulator allows only Drive Loading and Angled Hinging Travel and Rhythm.

We have the term “Swivel” which is a rotation of the wrists not dependent on shoulder turn. So, we have the warning; "intentional use of zero accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous". I could be wrong, but to me it means Unintentional use (zero acc #3) can be hazardous because Hinge Action must be replaced by a "perfectly timed Swivel" if Hinging other than Angled is attempted.