Why fade?

[dk11111]

I found this wonderful forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am quite absorbed in reading posts and slowly digesting them. I found OB's (and many others') posts very informative, and I thank for them very much.

Back to the topic:

-Push fade tendency due to Angled Hinging which itself is a product of the physics of Hitting.

So is push-fade, not fade, natural ball flight of a hitter? I assume that fade, for a right-handed golfer, is ball flight in which a ball start on a target line and deviate to the right just a little bit.

-the down, out and forward of three dimensional impact for straight away ball flight is not "cross line".

I think I am understanding what you say here. So is out in "down, out and forward" illusion created by the fact that our eyes are above the plane? If our eyes were positioned somewhere on the (3D) plane (for example, from the highest point of the swing plane(or radius)), movement of a club head we see should be down and forward (no OUT). On the 2 dimensional plane line, a club head is moving straight; am I correct? Is this why you said "not 'cross line'"?

Thanks

(My head is spinning. I guess I need to buy the yellow book soon since TGM becomes interesting to me more and more.)

[drewitgolf]

With Horizontal (Closing Only) and Vertical (Layback only) Hinging, both Club Face and Club Head rotate around the same Hinge Pin (both are Centerd Motions). Because Angled Hinging produces both Layback and Closing at the same time, it is an uncentered motion and has a built in Slice tendency. Simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix (more for longer clubs, less for shorter clubs) to avoid this and you will be a happy camper.

[KevCarter]

With Horizontal (Closing Only) and Vertical (Layback only) Hinging, both Club Face and Club Head rotate around the same Hinge Pin (both are Centerd Motions). Because Angled Hinging produces both Layback and Closing at the same time, it is an uncentered motion and has a built in Slice tendency. Simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix (more for longer clubs, less for shorter clubs) to avoid this and you will be a happy camper.

Drew,

Very nice post, it turned on a light bulb for me...

Since becoming a hitter, I still set up with my clubface a little open to my target line and hit push draws, my preferred ball flight. I suspect that even though I am hitting, I'm using 4 barrels and employing a Horizontal Hinge, hence, the fade is not my stock ball flight.

Make sense?

Thanks,
Kevin

[drewitgolf]

Drew,

Very nice post, it turned on a light bulb for me...

Since becoming a hitter, I still set up with my clubface a little open to my target line and hit push draws, my preferred ball flight. I suspect that even though I am hitting, I'm using 4 barrels and employing a Horizontal Hinge, hence, the fade is not my stock ball flight.

Make sense?

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin,

It is a matter of choice, but the Hitters natural motion will produce Angled Hinging. You, my friend, are over-ridng this natural action and indeed have to when you set up with an open clubface. Otherwise, Fore Right!

[KevCarter]

Kevin,

It is a matter of choice, but the Hitters natural motion will produce Angled Hinging. You, my friend, are over-ridng this natural action and indeed have to when you set up with an open clubface. Otherwise, Fore Right!

Thanks Drew,

One compensation followed by another to make up for it. Not good... Back to the drawing board!

Kevin

[O.B.Left]

With Horizontal (Closing Only) and Vertical (Layback only) Hinging, both Club Face and Club Head rotate around the same Hinge Pin (both are Centerd Motions). Because Angled Hinging produces both Layback and Closing at the same time, it is an uncentered motion and has a built in Slice tendency. Simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix (more for longer clubs, less for shorter clubs) to avoid this and you will be a happy camper.

Thanks Drew

This "uncentered" business has been a foggy notion for me. Still is. Would you mind elaborating or pointing me to the appropriate section in the book. 2-J-3 mentions it in regard to the Angle of Approach I believe.

Regards
Ob

[drewitgolf]

Thanks Drew

This "uncentered" business has been a foggy notion for me. Still is. Would you mind elaborating or pointing me to the appropriate section in the book. 2-J-3 mentions it in regard to the Angle of Approach I believe.

Regards
Ob

O.B.

My books is at the pro shop. Try 2-J-1. I think it is there.

[dk11111]

With Horizontal (Closing Only) and Vertical (Layback only) Hinging, both Club Face and Club Head rotate around the same Hinge Pin (both are Centerd Motions). Because Angled Hinging produces both Layback and Closing at the same time, it is an uncentered motion and has a built in Slice tendency. Simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix (more for longer clubs, less for shorter clubs) to avoid this and you will be a happy camper.

I think this is the reason for fade (or push fade?) of hitters, yet I cannot understand what is written because of my lack of TGM knowledge; I will slowly digest this notion.

In the mean time, I will follow your suggestion of closing a clubface. But how should I close the clubface at impact fix: by using strong left grip or rolling a left forearm or something else?

Thanks,
DK

[O.B.Left]

I think this is the reason for fade (or push fade?) of hitters, yet I cannot understand what is written because of my lack of TGM knowledge; I will slowly digest this notion.

In the mean time, I will follow your suggestion of closing a clubface. But how should I close the clubface at impact fix: by using strong left grip or rolling a left forearm or something else?

Thanks,
DK

Rolling the grip in the hands. So situation normal except for slightly closed face (to a degree you arrive at via trial and error).

[drewitgolf]

Rolling the grip in the hands. So situation normal except for slightly closed face (to a degree you arrive at via trial and error).

Agree; rotate the grip of the club counterclockwise within the Left Hand without changing the Left Hand.