The shadow- when the spectators made a shaft of light through. It was at this point he touched the sand where the light was.
But the light is a natural element. He asked the spectators to block the light. He was "building a stance?" or whatever -the same as having an umbrella held while U putt?
Where are the rules people when U need them? I don't think that violation was reported.
the "complicating" Bear
14-2/2.5 Player Positions Bag for Purpose of Providing Shade for Ball
Q. A player positions his golf bag near the teeing ground for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from the position where he tees his ball. He then makes a stroke. Is he in breach of Rule 14-2?
A. Yes. As the player was not in contact with the golf bag, he accepted protection from the elements in breach of Rule 14-2. This answer differs from that in Decision 14-2/2 as, in that case, the player was in contact with the umbrella.
While a player may not place an object or position a person for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from his ball, he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
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14-2/2.5 Player Positions Bag for Purpose of Providing Shade for Ball
Q. A player positions his golf bag near the teeing ground for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from the position where he tees his ball. He then makes a stroke. Is he in breach of Rule 14-2?
A. Yes. As the player was not in contact with the golf bag, he accepted protection from the elements in breach of Rule 14-2. This answer differs from that in Decision 14-2/2 as, in that case, the player was in contact with the umbrella.
While a player may not place an object or position a person for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from his ball, he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
Ah-ha, He DID in fact ask the spectators to completely block the sun. That WAS an additional violation.
Ah-ha, He DID in fact ask the spectators to completely block the sun. That WAS an additional violation.
The "vindicated" Bear
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14-2/2.5 Player Positions Bag for Purpose of Providing Shade for Ball
Q. A player positions his golf bag near the teeing ground for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from the position where he tees his ball. He then makes a stroke. Is he in breach of Rule 14-2?
A. Yes. As the player was not in contact with the golf bag, he accepted protection from the elements in breach of Rule 14-2. This answer differs from that in Decision 14-2/2 as, in that case, the player was in contact with the umbrella.
While a player may not place an object or position a person for the purpose of blocking the sunlight from his ball, he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
wow, one of us is a really bad reader...
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HE asked the spectator to block a shaft of light that was on the ground. His positioning of the spectator IS a violation.
Problem with ...???
The "Restating" Bear
My last try:
he may ask a person (e.g., a spectator) who is already in position not to move, so that a shadow remains over the ball, or to move, so that his shadow is not over the ball.
He did NOT bring someone in to position him to suit the situation, he was simply trying to keep the shadows of the crowd in place consistent and still.
The player does not have to deal with moving shadows on top of everything else going on.
Kevin
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He did NOT bring someone in to position him to suit the situation, he was simply trying to keep the shadows of the crowd in place consistent and still.
Kevin
Sir- you must review the tape- He clearly positioned the spectator to make a full shadow.
I will now predict a complete disqualification - likely today.
Sir- you must review the tape- He clearly positioned the spectator to make a full shadow.
I will now predict a complete disqualification - likely today.
the "stuborn" Bear
I've seen enough of your posts to know you have better than average reading skills. I am baffled by your continued argument over the decision I posted. We will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck with your prediction.
Kevin
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Its not the officials responsibility to tell the player! if a player is in doubt he then can ask the official. Rules officials do not say oh by the way theres hazards on this hole just to remind you and here's your options its the players responsibility the same when you go to school, play golf, play poker, go to jail everything in life the rules are laid out in simple english and here's the great thing if you dont know you can ask the 100 rules officials on the 18th hole just like Bubba Watson did who didn't know his options.
I've played in over 100 sections events never has the rules official standing or sitting in the cart say hey there's hazards out there so her's the options- never. But when i hit a golf ball in there and i didnt know my options and asked for help they were more than helpful to point them out.
Also let's consider the player dosen't know any rules- ok. How about the caddie watching from 30yds away why? Now we have 2 idiots. Golf 101 Jack Nicklaus i never ground the club even when i putt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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