Thrust Relative to Plane

[innercityteacher]

You have to get into the geometry of chapter 2 . It aint easy but its worth the effort.

The clubhead does approach the ball from the inside , assuming the ball is positioned back of low point. Its not a optical illusion or anything it literally does as it comes down the slanted, Inclined Plane. Down and OUt towards the base line. It should feel like this too. So yes, to feel like you are swinging straight line towards the target.......Steering in the book.......is to bend the plane line to the left.

Contrary to what the golf magazines at the time were saying (and the PGA) Homer thought that the ball started at right angles to the club face at Separation. That the ball curved in accordance with any divergence between face angle and club head path. The opposite of what we thought , but now confirmed by Track man etc etc.

So.....if your hooks are starting down the line and then hooking left like you say .........your face is square at Separation and your club head path is Cross-line , bent to the right. Pretty close to being good. But if you flip the face over you've got more work to do, it'll take you longer to fix. But join the club , its the golfers affliction.

Hi OB and everyone. I have been following this discussion and I tried to explain the "down, out, and forward" to myself by ignoring the frozen, bent right wrist (FBRW) and concentrating on tracing the baseline of the plane with only my forearm. If I ignore the FBRW, I can really see the baseline of the plane past Impact Fix sighting down my right forearm.

In my understanding of TGM, as long as my FBRW is rock solid, given an Impact Fix stance, any Pivot and thrust along the plane will result in a "down, out, and forward" strike applied by the FBRW. Is that right? Is that how a pro or talented golfer manages so much more compression? They sight down the right forearm well ahead of the ball and keep driving down?

If that is a correct understanding, that would explain why a properly FBRW, used with say, a 3 wood, would not allow for a "Punch Basic" stroke since the 3 wood's length would not allow the FBRW to ever hit the ball before the arm drove all the way down (lacking a Pivot).

What I'm trying to gauge, OB, is a standardization of distance and clubs. In a funny way, the end of the "swing" might not be as important as where Both Arms Straight occurs. I'm also concerned as to my lack of distance and divots. I have a funny feeling as to their one-to-one correspondence.

Yesterday, on my way to my first 80 and the initiation of the CGCBF ($1, I "forced" a strong sand iron to a 95 yard carry over water (instead of the usual 80 yard carry and 10 yards of roll). I then "forced" a 6 iron to a 185 yards of carry vs. the usual 170 yards of carry and roll. In both cases, I did not really get much of a divot but just sighted further ahead down the right arm and along the target line. I made sure my FBRW was rock solid throughoutt the round and really Pivoted strongly.

Thanks in advance!

Patrick

[O.B.Left]

Patrick, have you tried the Aiming Point procedure? If no, try it and see if you dont feel like you are Thrusting Down and Out , towards the Plane Line past Low Point all the way to Both Arms Straight, Follow Through.

You said "thrust along the plane" , you must, need to, thrust down the Inclined Plane. Our perception of things, our intent changes the geometry. Either for the better or the worse. Maybe the Aiming Point deal is better for you than Tracing? Maybe not. They are geometric equals but not exactly the same by any means......I bet you see some divots.

[innercityteacher]

Patrick, have you tried the Aiming Point procedure? If no, try it and see if you dont feel like you are Thrusting Down and Out , towards the Plane Line past Low Point all the way to Both Arms Straight, Follow Through.

You said "thrust along the plane" , you must, need to, thrust down the Inclined Plane. Our perception of things, our intent changes the geometry. Either for the better or the worse. Maybe the Aiming Point deal is better for you than Tracing? Maybe not. They are geometric equals but not exactly the same by any means......I bet you see some divots.

I will report back.

[innercityteacher]

Patrick, have you tried the Aiming Point procedure? If no, try it and see if you dont feel like you are Thrusting Down and Out , towards the Plane Line past Low Point all the way to Both Arms Straight, Follow Through.

You said "thrust along the plane" , you must, need to, thrust down the Inclined Plane. Our perception of things, our intent changes the geometry. Either for the better or the worse. Maybe the Aiming Point deal is better for you than Tracing? Maybe not. They are geometric equals but not exactly the same by any means......I bet you see some divots.

This Aiming Point doctrine is amazing!


Yoda said:

You may be able to accomplish the correct alignments in Fix, but fail totallyin real time. If so, the problem may well lie in your Right Shoulder location.In Fix, make sure you keep that Right Shoulder down (On Plane per 7-13).You're probably coming into Impact too high, and as a result, you're "runningout of right arm," an automatic throwaway. From the Top, turn yourRight Shoulder directly toward the Ball and then through it, and continueto Trace the Straight Plane Line with it into the Follow-Through. PictureTrevino's Right Shoulder Down on plane through impact and let it happen.


He also wrote:

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In your pre-game warm-up, emphasizeyour Impact Fix position before each shot. Focus first on the very shortones -- Acquired Motion per 12-5-2, Right Forearm no higher than level withthe ground. Take the motion to the end of the Follow-Through -- BothArms Straight Position -- and make sure your left wrist is flat and yourright wrist has remained bent. Hit a lot of these shots and monitor thefollow-through -- which is also the finish in this case -- and ask:

First Imperative: "Is my Left Wrist Flat? Is my Right WristBent?"

Second Imperative: "Did I feel and sustain the loading pressureagainst the passive first joint of my Right Forefinger throughout theDownstroke, Impact, the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight) and even into myFinish?

Third Imperative: "Did I trace the Straight Plane Line? And did Idirect the Clubhead Lag Down -- through the Ball, throughthe Aiming Point, through the Low Point, through to the end ofthe Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position)?"


Then, do what you can to achieve these alignments during your full Strokes. Donot think of how you're going to do it, just focus on your objective.


Anyway OB, that's enough for about 6 more months of practice.

I feel par coming on! Thanks!

[12 piece bucket]

See 1-L #5 #7 #10 #11

[Yoda]

See 1-L #5 #7 #10 #11

And throw in #15 to finish the job!

From the Top:

#5 On Plane Club . . .

#7 Driven by Lag Pressure Point Pressure . . .

#10 Toward the Baseline . . .

#11 With all its Accumulated, Loaded and Stored Power . . .

#15 Down Plane through Release and Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight).

[12 piece bucket]

And throw in #15 to finish the job!

From the Top:

#5 On Plane Club . . .

#7 Driven by Lag Pressure Point Pressure . . .

#10 Toward the Baseline . . .

#11 With all its Accumulated, Loaded and Stored Power . . .

#15 Down Plane through Release and Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight).

Major omission for me to leave out #15 . . . THANKS FOR GETTIN' HIM IN DA GAME!!!

[innercityteacher]

Major omission for me to leave out #15 . . . THANKS FOR GETTIN' HIM IN DA GAME!!!

Hands mid-body with ball off left heel (flared), feet together.
RF on plane, club behind the ball on sighted plane line
Rehearse club straight in front of me (horiz.) FBRW Like a rock!
Right foot back, balanced stance, ball moves= right foot goes back.
RFT, slight EA, trace BLP to shoulder height or less!
Nose over the ball as I step and drag.

Front 9 was bad news. I hit several clubs really really well past their normal distances! As I stepped forward, I threw my right shoulder at the ball. I hit a PW 130 yards and a 3 hybrid 220 yards which was really sucko for my score since the pin was 30 yards away each time! "Momma said there be days like this!" I shot a 48.

I dialed it back to just stepping through and shot a back 9, 41.
I lost $15.

Well, I have no idea how you guys control your distance with the shoulder strike. Maybe that's why so many people swing?
Do you simply use the hit for drives and long shots only?
I'm really not upset. I was dreaming of par today, and instead, I got monster distance. I was dying for monster distance until I realized I didn't need it to shoot par. UGH!

Patrick

[innercityteacher]

Major omission for me to leave out #15 . . . THANKS FOR GETTIN' HIM IN DA GAME!!!

If I do my FBRW and make it rock solid, and trace the BLP with EA, I'm going to score, but not on "big-boy courses," so I need to know how to dial up the distance like JerryG and Kevin (when his elbow heels) and Dodger and Bartly (who are scary beasts).

When I do simply freeze the BRW like a rock and trace the BLP, I have a perfect backstroke. With short clubs, I can straighten the right elbow and the ball mountain climbs dead on line landing softly.

If I get a perfect backstroke (or close) and keep that power package braced with the right arm intact, should I be able to step and roll the whole shoulder and package Down and through the ball for the long clubs? Is that what the "crap smacker" is?

Lynn shows on the TEd Fort tape that there is no independently extending right elbow so the whole power package must come down together as allowed by the Pivot right?

Patrick