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Old 11-21-2010, 08:40 AM
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I do not think I have a command understanding of hinge action. Jorgenson's book is in the mail. i have experimented with my understanding of D-plane on a Trackman. Understanding what to trace made it a lot easier to zero out the numbers, or produce a particular shape of shot. I have hit too many shots with an unintended draw thinking that all had to do was trace the plane line (that also happened to be the target line...with a stance line that was generally square as well) and see unintended hook spin take the shot off line. I will have to read your post an additional time or two. To me what Jorgensen claims with regard to the so-called new ball flight laws Homer claimed along time ago. What is incompatible between TGM and D-plane? If your previous post was a full answer then I apologize for my density, and respectfully request that you dumb it down a bit for an okie. Perhaps this topic has already been flogged to glue and some digging in the archives is advisable? Has Yoda voiced his opinion on d matter? D-plane has breathed new life into my ball striking...but I have been snookered by siren calls before!
Hi Okie,

What do you feel was the biggest change you made with your new understanding? Face alignment, alignment of the path, or swing change? Or is it a little of each?

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Old 11-21-2010, 12:56 PM
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Hi Okie,

What do you feel was the biggest change you made with your new understanding? Face alignment, alignment of the path, or swing change? Or is it a little of each?

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Kevin
Kevin,

All of the above, but specially the angle of attack. TGM improved my mechanics, especially FLW (I seldom throw the club in a disastrous fashion these days) But according to TM my angle of attack with say my six iron was -4.2 degrees, in order to hit the ball dead straight I basicaly had to "trace left" a couple of degrees. TGM also taught me how to trace! i had a basic understanding of how the face and path interact with one another, but I did not fully grasp the role of the angle of attack, or the vertical swing plane (the angle of the swing plane)I paid through the nose to get on TM to see what all of the hulabaloo is about. I also learned how to hit my driver 18 yards further! It turned out that I needed 2-4 degrees more loft on my driver (for optimum launch numbers etc) given the angle of attack I was using (aka hitting down)It turns out my driver was perfect for a +3 degree angle of attack. So, get a new driver with granny-loft, or hit it on the way up. I have never hit the modern driver well enough to think that it was a cheat stick...I am embarrassed by some of the drives I have hit in the last couple of weeks! It almost looks like a knuckle ball. Of course because the head is moving up and in you have to rotate the plane line a bit right. I seem to recall Yoda talking about something similar. I agree that a TGM expert would make good use of TM. Unfortunately, I do not fully understand the points of contention with d-plane...I am just going on what my eyeballs and doppler eyeballs are telling me. Like hogan (the likeness ends there) I am on a quest to eradicate a hook that ended my dream of playing professionally. The best I could do was learn to play a push-draw. I have not hit it left of the centerline one time in a month. I did hit a push-fade to about 40 ft. Perhaps this will disappear like the many soap bubbles (queue violin music) of the past, OR I have something to hang my hat on. If that be the case...I'm back!
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Kevin,

All of the above, but specially the angle of attack. TGM improved my mechanics, especially FLW (I seldom throw the club in a disastrous fashion these days) But according to TM my angle of attack with say my six iron was -4.2 degrees, in order to hit the ball dead straight I basicaly had to "trace left" a couple of degrees. TGM also taught me how to trace! i had a basic understanding of how the face and path interact with one another, but I did not fully grasp the role of the angle of attack, or the vertical swing plane (the angle of the swing plane)I paid through the nose to get on TM to see what all of the hulabaloo is about. I also learned how to hit my driver 18 yards further! It turned out that I needed 2-4 degrees more loft on my driver (for optimum launch numbers etc) given the angle of attack I was using (aka hitting down)It turns out my driver was perfect for a +3 degree angle of attack. So, get a new driver with granny-loft, or hit it on the way up. I have never hit the modern driver well enough to think that it was a cheat stick...I am embarrassed by some of the drives I have hit in the last couple of weeks! It almost looks like a knuckle ball. Of course because the head is moving up and in you have to rotate the plane line a bit right. I seem to recall Yoda talking about something similar. I agree that a TGM expert would make good use of TM. Unfortunately, I do not fully understand the points of contention with d-plane...I am just going on what my eyeballs and doppler eyeballs are telling me. Like hogan (the likeness ends there) I am on a quest to eradicate a hook that ended my dream of playing professionally. The best I could do was learn to play a push-draw. I have not hit it left of the centerline one time in a month. I did hit a push-fade to about 40 ft. Perhaps this will disappear like the many soap bubbles (queue violin music) of the past, OR I have something to hang my hat on. If that be the case...I'm back!
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Old 11-21-2010, 04:00 PM
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Kevin,

I also learned how to hit my driver 18 yards further! It turned out that I needed 2-4 degrees more loft on my driver (for optimum launch numbers etc) given the angle of attack I was using (aka hitting down)It turns out my driver was perfect for a +3 degree angle of attack. So, get a new driver with granny-loft, or hit it on the way up. I have never hit the modern driver well enough to think that it was a cheat stick...I am embarrassed by some of the drives I have hit in the last couple of weeks! It almost looks like a knuckle ball. Of course because the head is moving up and in you have to rotate the plane line a bit right.

Thanks Okie I really value your observations. I stopped hitting up on drivers for a while but now do it again occasionally when I need the extra distance. Homer would be cool with that as a specialty shot adjustment I believe. I used to always fade it when I did that but now I rotate the plane line to the right a touch and rotate the face back to the target......... Its a work in progress . Is that what you are referring to? Or do you just rotate the plane line?

I didnt like the look of a fade when I was going for more distance. And I agree it does look like a knuckle ball when you get the spin rate down. When I was a kid we used to tee up the ball on a golf pencil for extra height and hit way up with our old persimmons.....it was the "Kelley Murray" shot. He was a long drive guy back in the day here in Canada ...

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