Alignments Vs. Positions

[Yoda]

What is the difference between alignments and positions? Aren't alignments actually positions too?

I may just be missing the perceived image by TGM. Can someone explain the difference?

Positions are a player's means of executing pre-selected, precision alignments. To that end, alignments require positions.

However, a given 'position' can be executed perfectly -- for example, left elbow down, right elbow in, right arm L-position at the top, roll the wrists through the ball, full shoulder turn, etc. -- and yet the player still can miss the ball.

[drewitgolf]

All the action of the golf club takes place on a flat, inflexible inclined Plane. The clubshaft remains on the face of the Plane. EVERY other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement. It is the Heart and Soul of the Sroke.

[Daryl]

All the action of the golf club takes place on a flat, inflexible inclined Plane. The clubshaft remains on the face of the Plane. EVERY other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement. It is the Heart and Soul of the Sroke.

And:

Poor execution is not a component variation.

[Mike O]

Sure Drewitgolf will deny it - defend his actions as right, sound, just - however, let it be known that he has been reported for "threadjacking" - a serious forum crime! - leading to suspension of posting, banishment and in extreme cases - DEATH Other forum members you have been warned! Daryl - a mere felony for aiding and abetting - shame on you!

[drewitgolf]

Threadjacking is like me telling the story of you telling me that your grandmother's last words were, "what are you doing, Mike?"

BTW, everything is Aligned to the Plane.

[Mike O]

First you need a definition of the movement concepts: alignment and position (Post#7). To expand on that post - a photo can show a position. One photo cannot show an alignment - To show an alignment:
1)you need two "sequenced" photos - i.e. you need motion,
and
2)you need a standard of measurement,
and
3)thirdly you need the same relationship to that standard during each photo (two) sequence - to create the movement concept - ALIGNMENT.

Unless you have another valid definition of alignment - then "everything" is not aligned to the plane. Given my definition - using the plane as the standard of measurement - then you would have 1) the clubshaft aligned to the plane, 2) per the Golfing Machine you would have the right shoulder during start down aligned to the plane, and 3) you could have an alignment for angled hinging to the plane (vertical to), 4) a hand motion to the plane alignment, 5) forearm motion through impact- and that's it - five items aligned to the plane (assuming I didn't leave any out) - NOT EVERYTHING. Quite the contrary - if you took a photo of a golfer at some point in the swing - or many sequenced photos of a golfer in relation to a plane - "Everything" would have a position in relation to the plane.


The intial question was essentially - What's the difference between a position and an alignment - in the context of movement. Saying that everything is aligned to the plane - doesn't clarify the answer - it further clouds it.

I'll now go back to my cave - send out a couple mindless posts now and then - and work on destroying Bucket.

[Daryl]

We could simply try to understand what HK meant by:

Position Golf advocates teaching the Pivot Components (especially) to move from an Address Location to a “Top Location” to an Impact Location to a Finish Location in such a manner as to cause the Arms to whip the Clubhead along a path that passes through the Ball Location. Then to practice adjusting these various locations to vary and control Ball Behavior. .......

"Alignment Golf” holds that the relationships of those “Component Locations,“ “Positions” AND Movements, with each other and with the target line, are the Golfing Imperatives.