The Closed Stance And The Right Hip / Right Elbow Conflict
Originally Posted by Trigolt
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Simply put, the Closed Stance with its automatic Short Pivot (10-12-B) produces a free Backstroke Turn (albeit with a restricted Follow-Through). This makes it easier to Clear the Right Hip in the Backstroke.
Failure to Clear the Right Hip during Start Up produces a Right Elbow-Right Hip conflict and is a problem epidemic in the Golf World. The Hands resolve this conflict without fanfare simply by going around the Hip. Unfortunately, that means you are now above Plane and must re-route the Club at some point to return correctly to the Ball. Most offenders never make it.
Hence, Homer included 'Clear Right Hip' as an important checkpoint in his Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3 #13).
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
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Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
According to Paul (and his wife), Moe spent time with Paul. I spent 3 days with him about 2 or 3 years before he died. He did say that Moe would stop by his house to discuss golf and work on things. And like Yoda said he wasn't shy about self-promotion. He was a nice guy. He was pretty sick when I was there. He actually did some instruction with me in his PJ's. He said that Leadbetter and McLean had been to see him and gave him no credit.
Could be wrong about this, but I think I recall him saying he never met Hogan. Can't remember though. His sales pitch for his golf school was that he could make you swing like Hogan. The big thing was getting into static positions and holding them.
Top notch guy and his wife made a helluva chicken salad sandwich too.
according to the folks on the SA. Moe met with Bertholy several times a year for some twenty years near Pinehurst. Whether Moe was a student or a friend is what the debate is about.
Great video. Question: It looks to me as though Hogan's shoulders were a little bit open but his hips were closed at address. Am I correct?
I am pretty sure you will find his shoulders are square to his intended plane line. The hips dont really look closed to me, only right foot being dropped back that gives that impression.
Great Videos!!!!!! Thanks YODA.........
"This is the Downstroke Waggle of 3-F-5. In my opinion, it is far and away the best (if not the only) cure for that genetic deformity of the Golf Stroke --the Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn (and its resulting 'Outside-In' Path of the Hands) [10-13-B #3]." - Don't I know this problem, that is why Homer says to practice the moves with out a club and indoors.....
You go to the range and after some shots, you mind is on how far you can hit it instead of tracing the plane line.....................fyi
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I tried it without a ball. IMO, it enables you to start the downswing from the back foot toe instead of the heel. That is a good position for a hard hip rotation. In addition to hip tilt and weight shift. When the back foot is parallell to line of flight, It's harder to rotate the hip.
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