Please tell me how you can move the ball back, execute an Angled Hinge hitting the inside of the ball with an open clubface, and move the ball right to left.
A question I am trying to wrap my head around as well!
I'm assuming this has to do with the natural 'laying back' action of the angled hinge motion?
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Interesting thread, fellows. Sorry I'm late...
The Hitter does indeed direct the #3 Pressure Point (Lag Pressure Thrust) along the Angle of Approach and thus through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball. The wrinkle here is that, unlike when using the Swinger's Horizontal Hinging, you do not hit the Ball with an Open Clubface when applying the Hitter's Angled Hinging. Instead, you hit the Ball with a Closed Clubface.
The Clubface for Angled Hinging is aligned at Impact Fix Closed to the Target Line per 2-J-1 -- and the longer the Shot the more Closed the Clubface. Also, the further back the Ball is located toward the Right Foot, the more Closed the Clubface becomes to the Delivery Line and the Lag Pressure Point (7-11).
Thus, though the Lag Pressure is driven through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball, the Closed Clubface 'wraps around' enough to impact the outside-aft quadrant. This action, at a minimum, offsets the Fading tendency of the Uncentered 'Layback Action' characteristic of the Angled Hinge Motion. When the divergence of Clubhead Path and Clubface Alignment is more severe, the result is a Draw or Hook.
You said, "...the result is a Draw or Hook." I think you're half right. That is, if you hit the outside aft quadrant of the ball, it will start left of the target line and cannot be a draw, which starts right of the target and moves left. The only way to start the ball out to the right of the target and move it back, if hitting the outside quad, is with a cross-line clubhead path. Either, you must line up closed to the target and pull hook it, or keep your back to the target causing a cross-line path and pull hook it.
So maybe i can hit a natural draw with the hitting stroke simply by playing it back a bit?
John
Yes, John, you can produce a 'natural Draw' when Hitting (or 'Manipulated Hands' Swinging) simply by playing the Ball back a bit -- provided you (1) align the Clubface Closed to the Flight Line per 2-J-1 and (2) Rotate your Grip per 7-2. You can do the same thing as a True Swinger by Rotating your Plane Line. Opposite procedures are employed to Fade the Ball.
There are not enough words to properly explain and telegraph into your brain what I've just said. Therefore, we will soon produce a video to collectively explain and demonstrate these relatively simple procedures...for the first time in the history of Golf Instruction.
tho there are many posts in here i still don't understand, this one is absolutely crystal clear Yoda
John
Just make sure that the you understand that to make the ball go from R-L and ending up on the target with an Angled Hinge Hitting motion, you must line up to the right of the target and pull hook it. Notice that Yoda says that the clubface must be closed with respect to the FLIGHT LINE which will be cross-line to the target line. This flight line becomes the new plane line. It's not a true draw, but a pull hook with respect to this new plane line.
I beleive I understand what Yoda is saying although I think Mizuno has a point to which I'd like to explore a little more.
If the ball is moved back from normal straightaway ball flight location, will we not actually be making contact with the ball on more of a 'cross-line' approach and is this why it can start out to the right before drawing?
And if so, must we believe that clubhead path determines intial ball flight direction and clubface determines ball curvature? Not meaning to open a can of worms here, just want to completley understand.
I think the problem here is that there are two different sets of ball quadrants. One with respect to the target/plane line and another with respect to the flight line. The closed clubface and outside aft quadrant Yoda talks about is with respect to the flight line. But with respect to the target/plane line, the face is open and the ball contact point is on the inside quadrant. The fact is that if you hit the plane line version of the outside aft quadrant of the ball with a clubface which is closed with respect to the plane line, the ball will start left of the target.
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