I also was curious about how closed the clubhead appeared to be on the back swing. This is something I have been trying to change, maybe I'm on the wrong track??
I'll let Ted comment further on his Clubface alignment, but remember...
The Hitter using Angled Hinging aligns the Clubface Closed at Impact Fix (2-J-1). It therefore should come as no surprise that the Closed alignment is maintained throughout the Stroke.
I'll have to agree with my mentor, and most importantly with this shorter club, the clubface should look a little closed. With the ball position being placed farther away from low point and making the clubface square as I assume my impact fix and impact address, the shorter clubs have to look closed. I'm touching the ball well before low point. As I move the ball position forward for the longer clubs, the clubface would not look as closed.
Ted is using the Angle of Approach procedure with its steep Plane (2-J-3-B) and you are using the geometric Plane Line (the straightline baseline of the Turned Shoulder Plane). Therefore, his Angled Hinging appears to Fan less than yours -- Angled Hinging on a steep Plane approaches Vertical Hinging -- even though you are both using the same procedure.
Also, he hits the Ball very hard, and the Ball stays on the Clubface longer. Therefore, the Slice producing characteristic of Angled Hinging is greater than normal, and to compensate, he must Close the Clubface more than normal.
You're on the right track, Danny. Stay with it.
Yoda,
1-L, #6. The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other.
Ted's impact alignments are MARVELOUS, and even though his procedure does not follow the above dictum to the full extent ...aren't predictable impact alignments the end that we all should be seeking?
EC[/quote]
I'm extremely happy with my impact alignments, especially from the front. I've got a couple of recent videos that I've compared to Trevino, and I'm happy to say I look like I'm copying his impact alignments. If there's anyone that I want to look like when I'm touching the ball, it's him.
I'm not perfect, nor would I ever claim to be, but I'm much further along the 'Journey'. I'm also happy to say that I'd never been able to do such wondeful things in such a short amount of time without my proud Papa, Lynn Blake, a.k.a. Yoda, Mac Daddy, Da Man, The Genius, The Legend, the one and only Homer Reincarnate.
You teach me fanning the right forearm on the takeaway, but it seems that Ted does not have much fanning at the beginning and the clubface appears to be closed going back...and closed at the top. Why is that?
Danny,
Ted is using the Angle of Approach procedure with its steep Plane (2-J-3-B) and you are using the geometric Plane Line (the straightline baseline of the Turned Shoulder Plane). Therefore, his Angled Hinging appears to Fan less than yours -- Angled Hinging on a steep Plane approaches Vertical Hinging -- even though you are both using the same procedure.
Also, he hits the Ball very hard, and the Ball stays on the Clubface longer. Therefore, the Slice producing characteristic of Angled Hinging is greater than normal, and to compensate, he must Close the Clubface more than normal.
You're on the right track, Danny. Stay with it.
Well YOda I love the site and I am really working hard indoors until golf season to improve my game, using video each time ot to see my feels so to speak to turn my mechanics into feel. Unfortunately it seems whatever I do leads to a shut cross the line position at the top. I see here you are talking about a fanning movement in the backswing whereas Ted is taking it back shut and not allowing this fanning to occur. I am sure bothare acceptable variants even in hitting, but is there a way to know whihc one is better for me to try to emulate? Also any ideas how to correctly incorporate the fanning movement without bringin the club too inside going back?
For the purpose of education, would you comment relative to 2-F Plane of Motion:
"Whenever the clubshaft is parallel to the ground it must be parallel to the base line. Otherwise, the end of the club that is closest to the ground must point at the base line of the inclined plane."
1-L, #6. The Clubshaft always points at the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other.
Ted's impact alignments are MARVELOUS, and even though his procedure does not follow the above dictum to the full extent ...aren't predictable impact alignments the end that we all should be seeking?
Eddie,
For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).
The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.
For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).
The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.
The "New" inclined plane still has a straight baseline doesn't it? And, wouldn't the low end of the club either point at or cover it, or the clubshaft would be parallel to it? I'm just trying to reconcile in my mind the geometry of having the clubshaft on plane. Not to pick on Ted (I LOVE his motion), but I was originally asking that if we looked at each of the still positions of his video, aren't there times when the club is off plane by definition? Quite frankly, I think that impact is where it's at, but I spend a lot of time with students working on plane, and I do not want to misinform any of them, ever.]
Congrats to you, Bagger, and Trigolt...this site is a wonderful experience!
EC
I see EC's point....
Originally Posted by Yoda
Eddie,
For the Hitter using the Angle of Approach procedure, the 'old' Plane Angle with its Straight Line Baseline is gone. It served its purpose by locating the Stroke's Impact Point and Low Point. Through these two points passes its derivative -- the Straight Line Angle of Approach Delivery Line. This Visual Equivalent thus determined, the original Plane ceases to exist (2-J-3).
The Hitter with his Clubhead now Covers -- not Traces or 'points at' -- this new Delivery Line. And whatever Inclined Plane the Sweetspot must utilize to make this journey is now the Inclined Plane of the Stroke.
Lynn,
EC has a good point...
Are you saying that, once the original planeline is established...it ceases to exist for the Hitter and the 'new' delivery line???
This is an area of confusion I also have to sort out.
Lets see if I can put this clearly.
For the Hitter using Angle of Approach procedure, the Angle of Approach effectively becomes the new Plane Line. Every stroke has to have a straight Plain Line, and for the Hitter, this has now become Angle of Approach. Just look at 10-5-E. That is exactly what I mean. How Closed your new Plain Line is depends how far your ball is behind Low Point.
Now, when you're making a golf stroke on an Inclined Plane, you are, by default, also tracing its Plane Line (whether that Plane Line is the basic geometric plane line of the Angle of Approach). See photo in 10-5-E.
So I would say that although the Hitter sees the Clubhead visually (it's not actually covering- because the Plane would have to be vertical for that to happen!) covering his new Plane Line (the Angle of Approach), he is actually Tracing is also.
Just look at 10-5-E.
How can she be swinging on that Inclined plane and not trace or point at this Angle of Approach? Impossible! This contradicts what Yoda was saying - that the Hitter does not Trace this new Delivery Line, but just covers it. However, I believe Yoda was trying to make a different point...but I just don't know what it is.
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