Double cocking of right wrist

[RLLANDRUM]

Was fortunate enough to take a couple of lessons from Mr. Tom Tomasello in Myrtle Beach (Dear Track) about 20 years ago. He indicated to me I was double cocking my right wrist. I was cocking it back and up, instead of just back. From what I can recall he indicated it was causing me to hit a pull. Can anyone explain why this would be? Of maybe someone has another opinion!

[gmbtempe]

Here is a GSED on Youtube talking about that very thing.

link removed

[KevCarter]

Sorry, but that video does not belong on this website. In my opinion, the sole purpose of that video is to discredit the work of YODA and Brian Gay by another teacher trying to compete with LBG.

True practitioners of The Golfing Machine understand the use of different components and different alignments per the students preferences. That is one of THE MAJOR TENANTS of Mr. Kelley's work.

If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then Homer Kelley would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting Homer, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

The Magic Of The Right Forearm was a HUGE part of Homer Kelley's ideals:

STARTING OVER WITH G.O.L.F.
HOMER KELLEY

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).

• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.

• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

I apologize for my rant. Obviously, that video was done by an EXCELLENT teacher, I just don't care for folks whose marketing is based upon putting down the work of others, and I feel the need to stand up for what I believe in.

Kevin

[innercityteacher]

Hi Kevin. I am looking at Mr. Tomasello's very fine work and practicing inside with an impact bag due to the monsoon outside. And my body needs a rest after five days of hitting the ball more purposefully and powerfully than ever before.


When I drop the shoulder straight down, using Mr. T's great posture teaching, that shoulder flows to the ball on its own almost, but I can really accelerate that move also. The pressure on pp #3 very satisfying as is the weight. Is this the downward shoulder plane ?

And then, if I simply replace the trail elbow to my trail side and carry that through to finish, is that the elbow plane?

And then, if I get in that very compact hitting posture and bash the heck out of it by extending my right arm right from the top, is that a third plane or an elbow plane or?

And now to completely show my lack of TGM experience more fully, which types of hitting motions allow a 21hcp like me the best chance of putting a dependable tee shot a respectable distance down the fairway? (Speaking generally about hackers and newbies of course. I will try the various combinations but history can be a pretty reliable teacher.) My short game can be better than average. This week I realized that pp#3 will help both putting and chipping. It was very cool to chip a 7 iron 100 yards at a flag consistently, then a 5 iron, 5 wood, 7 wood. etc. using the simplest hitting motion.

Thanks also for the new list of enthusiasts!

Patrick

Sorry, but that video does not belong on this website. In my opinion, the sole purpose of that video is to discredit the work of YODA and Brian Gay by another teacher trying to compete with LBG.

True practitioners of The Golfing Machine understand the use of different components and different alignments per the students preferences. That is one of THE MAJOR TENANTS of Mr. Kelley's work.



The Magic Of The Right Forearm was a HUGE part of Homer Kelley's ideals:



I apologize for my rant. Obviously, that video was done by an EXCELLENT teacher, I just don't care for folks whose marketing is based upon putting down the work of others, and I feel the need to stand up for what I believe in.

Kevin

[KevCarter]

Patrick,

Planes are nothing more than different angles of the shaft, and which one you are on isn't important right now. I think you ae reading too much into plane too fast.

Right now, it's just important that you keep the shaft "ON PLANE" any plane. Unless the shaft is parallel to the ground, which happens 3 times during the swing, one end of the club must point at your plane line, or the "gutter" of the "roof."
Very important that you understand this concept. Ask questions if you don't.

One of the greatest quotes I have seen came last week from O.B. "The right shoulder is the connection between the pivot and power package."

Please keep focusing on what has gotten you here so far. It will be a lifetime project. THE 3 IMPERATIVES!

Also, since like me you are enjoying the Magic Of The Right Forearm, read these quotes often:

“The right forearm has been the key to everything.” BRIAN GAY

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." LYNN BLAKE

"That Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point...
you're going to want to insure'em for a million bucks." HOMER KELLEY

Kevin

Hi Kevin. I am looking at Mr. Tomasello's very fine work and practicing inside with an impact bag due to the monsoon outside. And my body needs a rest after five days of hitting the ball more purposefully and powerfully than ever before.


When I drop the shoulder straight down, using Mr. T's great posture teaching, that shoulder flows to the ball on its own almost, but I can really accelerate that move also. The pressure on pp #3 very satisfying as is the weight. Is this the downward shoulder plane ?

And then, if I simply replace the trail elbow to my trail side and carry that through to finish, is that the elbow plane?

And then, if I get in that very compact hitting posture and bash the heck out of it by extending my right arm right from the top, is that a third plane or an elbow plane or?

And now to completely show my lack of TGM experience more fully, which types of hitting motions allow a 21hcp like me the best chance of putting a dependable tee shot a respectable distance down the fairway? (Speaking generally about hackers and newbies of course. I will try the various combinations but history can be a pretty reliable teacher.) My short game can be better than average. This week I realized that pp#3 will help both putting and chipping. It was very cool to chip a 7 iron 100 yards at a flag consistently, then a 5 iron, 5 wood, 7 wood. etc. using the simplest hitting motion.

Thanks also for the new list of enthusiasts!

Patrick

[innercityteacher]

My first round is supposed to be next week if the weather cooperates.

Posture, extension to hit (no cocking of wrists), pivot-shoulder or pivot-rt. arm with gradual acceleration. That should be enough for one week of practice.

Patrick

Patrick,

Planes are nothing more than different angles of the shaft, and which one you are on isn't important right now. I think you ae reading too much into plane too fast.

Right now, it's just important that you keep the shaft "ON PLANE" any plane. Unless the shaft is parallel to the ground, which happens 3 times during the swing, one end of the club must point at your plane line, or the "gutter" of the "roof."
Very important that you understand this concept. Ask questions if you don't.

One of the greatest quotes I have seen came last week from O.B. "The right shoulder is the connection between the pivot and power package."

Please keep focusing on what has gotten you here so far. It will be a lifetime project. THE 3 IMPERATIVES!

Also, since like me you are enjoying the Magic Of The Right Forearm, read these quotes often:

“The right forearm has been the key to everything.” BRIAN GAY

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." LYNN BLAKE

"That Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point...
you're going to want to insure'em for a million bucks." HOMER KELLEY

Kevin

[KevCarter]

Mr. Landrum,

Sorry for the quick thread jack. Homer Kelley tells us in Chapter 6 that the left wrist cocks, while the right wrist bends. The right wrist should never cock, it should always be level. The section on Flying Wedges includes some excellent references for study.

Kevin

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES
The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

[Bagger Lance]

Kevin,

Thanks for standing up for Lynn's website.

I can understand why links to other instuctors are posted here. I've seen several pop up in the last couple of weeks. In a rush for answers or excitement about a new find, people sometimes forget this website is real property. Not picking on you specifically gmbtempe.

Its akin to walking into Lynns house and showing a video of another instructor to an audience in the living room without permission.

Please folks, if you have a question or an answer search this site first before posting an off site link.

Then again, you can always' reciprocate by posting one of Lynn's youtube videos on other instructors sites. I'm sure they'll appreciate it as much as we do.

[gmbtempe]

Kevin,

Thanks for standing up for Lynn's website.

I can understand why links to other instuctors are posted here. I've seen several pop up in the last couple of weeks. In a rush for answers or excitement about a new find, people sometimes forget this website is real property. Not picking on you specifically gmbtempe.

Its akin to walking into Lynns house and showing a video of another instructor to an audience in the living room without permission.

Please folks, if you have a question or an answer search this site first before posting an off site link.

Then again, you can always' reciprocate by posting one of Lynn's youtube videos on other instructors sites. I'm sure they'll appreciate it as much as we do.

Look, I am sorry, from now on no posts wtih links from me, no confusion that way. I found this site because someone discussed TGM and linked one of Lynn's videos.

I guess I just get caught up in seeing things around the net related to a subject and relay the information, given this came from someone with TGM certification I did not realize, nor have the understanding to define a true practitioner, or that the video was an attempt to do anything like that.

[O.B.Left]

Ive done it too.