First post and video

[ZingMan]

Hi everyone,
I've been trying S&T for the last while (about 6 or 7 months) and haven't been having a lot of success. My main problems are that my lower centre moves forward too fast and that I can't hold the wedge through impact. I'm still giving this swing a shot, but I've been considering going to a more traditional swing. My main reason is that there are no instructors in my area that understand S&T and learning it by myself from a forum is proving to be VERY difficult (although I must say thanks to N. Clearwater and all the guys who have helped me so far...my swing is better than it used to be for sure).

In the videos below, I'm still doing my S&T swing....well sort of. I was working on a suggestion on keeping my weight back to help slow down the movement of my lower centre. Pretty much I tried to keep my weight on the outside of my right foot to help control the movement of the lower centre. The other things I was working on was a better hinging of my left wrist and trying to direct my hands at a forward aiming point (I'm reading the Impact Zone right now). Because I was working on all these things a few things are a little out of whack (like how loose my arms are at the top of the swing).

I'm using a 9 iron in the video and there are 2 shots. The first is a 3/4 swing that went about 130 yards with a slight draw and the second is a full swing that went about 150 yards and was a push draw.

My misses today were an over draw and a slight push with shorter clubs, and a BIG push or push cut with longer clubs.

Any tips on slowing down my lower body would be awesome!

The Video:
http://widedivots.com/video/swing/1690/june-5-09

Thanks,
Zing

[Daryl]

I’m not familiar with the S&T swing method. But, I gather that it involves Stacking over your Left Leg somehow and then whatever.

The following presumes you want to develop a Swinging Pattern and not a Hitting Pattern.

I agree that some of your swing problems stem from the Hips, but I don’t think its Hip speed. Like most Golfers, you think that a strong Lateral Slide with the Hips begins the Downswing. Yet, you inherently realize that the synchronization of your shoulders and hips is compromised. I agree again.

The Arrow in the upper left photo points to the Gap between your Arm and Torso. When you move the Hips Laterally to start the Swing, you cause a kink in a very complex chain of events. Much too complex to describe during this or any single post.

The answer you’re seeking is the Sit-Down Procedure. It will solve your Pivot issues and indirectly prevent Push shots and slices.

At the Top of the Swing, your Left Heel is raised above ground. There are two ways to Lower it. The First, is by a Lateral Shift of the Hips, the Second is by Sitting Down slightly by allowing your weight to drop, by allowing your right knee to slightly flex. I don’t mean that your Head needs to drop, and I don’t mean that your right knee flexes forward. The Sit-Down is a squat, from the Top, that begins the Downstroke Acceleration sequence. It will prevent your Head from leaning backwards during the Hip Slide-Axis Tilt, Lower your right Arm to your Torso during the Hand Acceleration Stage of the Downstroke, bend the Right Knee Slightly so that you have enough Right Leg to allow your hips to do a complete rotation (yours stop, which is why you hit so many push shots) and it is also the greatest determining factor in how far your hips slide forward. It’s a VERY subtle motion. Just enough to create a little tension.

Following the Sit-Down, your Hips Slide and then Rotate. But they KEEP ROTATING. Watch your video. Your shoulders pass your hips just after impact because your hips stopped. Your Hips Stopped Rotating because they ran out of Right Leg and you begin to Drag your Right Foot. Hmm?? You lose pivot lag and you end up flipping the club through impact like the Upper Right Photo. Though Flipping should be trained out of your swing. Hip Action is needed to coordinate Rolling the Clubface through the Impact Zone.

90% of this website is devoted to training the swing to eliminate this Flip. Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action, etc. It makes “Stack and Tilt” read like “Dick and Jane”.

Also: Stop Pulling Down with your Arms and Hands from the Top of the Swing. You're releasing way too early. With your swing (with corrections) you should be Hitting Bulls eyes at 150 yards at 80% with the 9 iron.

Good Luck.

[ZingMan]

Hi Daryl,
Thanks for the reply!

I will try the sit down technique asap and post a video sometime in the next week or so.

As for not pulling my hands down from the top...how do I bring my hands down and direct them at my forward aiming point? Is it just the rotation of my body that will bring them to impact?

[Daryl]

Hi Daryl,
Thanks for the reply!

I will try the sit down technique asap and post a video sometime in the next week or so.

As for not pulling my hands down from the top...how do I bring my hands down and direct them at my forward aiming point? Is it just the rotation of my body that will bring them to impact?

The Sit-Down will Pull Down the Right Shoulder, the Hip Slide (Axis Tilt) will continue Pulling the Right Shoulder and Arms from their Shoulder Sockets, the Hip Turn will continue pulling the Arms and induce a Throw-Out of the #4 Accumulator (Left Arm) off the Chest (Sensing this change of direction of Force) which causes the Release to begin, Uncock and 'Roll around the Hinge'.


Of course, if you were to do this exactly as I outlined, you should miss the ball. Your Right Elbow is so Bent that your Clubhead will pass 6" above the ball. (Do a very Slow Motion swing and Notice how high your Right Forearm is above plane at release). Unbending your Forearm is not a solution because it wrecks the Right Forearm Flying Wedge). So, for now, add in a lot of Hand-Eye and Right Forearm-Eye Coordination, or; use a 7" high Tee.


Read about the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence.


Make sure that the Ball is in the way of the Clubhead.

[drewitgolf]

I like where Daryl is going with this. I will add one more thing. You need to be careful of the thrid Snare Bobbing (3-F-7-C) which will disrupt your Shoulder to ball Radius (reference 1-L-1 & 2).

Set your Head at Impact Fix (7-8 ) and leave it there. This will most like likely require more Waist Bend and/or Knee flex (7-2-4).

[david sandridge]

Great post of sit down Daryl. Could you please go into a little more detail about running out of right leg. Does this relate to getting stuck on the right side? I have trouble turning thru the ball and wonder about my sequence of events.