LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - What Not To Do Thread: What Not To Do View Single Post #9 10-18-2005, 07:05 PM tongzilla Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 825 Originally Posted by MizunoJoe My point is that most cannot "passively aim" the hands. Their tendency to independently move the hands is inate, so to put their minds in their hands only encourages this fault. Get their minds out of their hands, so that the pivot only moves them. They must get the physics of the CF Swing correct, first and foremost. To see this, look at Ben's lesson - he tells the student that he's still "adding", but then tells him that the answer is aiming point, which only makes it worse! However, for Hitting, HCP aids and abets the thrusting right tricep. As much as I'd like to disagree, I can't. I completely empathise with what you're saying. To reconcile this "pivot-controlled-hands-controlled-pivot-hands-controlled-hands-pivot-hands -controlled-I-am-seriously-confused-about-what's-moving-what" problem, I go back to Homer's Three Lane Freeway -- namely The Three Zones of Chapter 9. Seen in this light, Ben Doyle is merely teaching the student the correct way to use their pivot in Zone #1 (9-1), which must be mastered before your Hands, Zone #3 (9-3), can do their job properly. This is not the same thing as Pivot Controlled Hands. I believe the problem you mentioned is due to the fact the student's Zone #1 support wasn't good enough, and Ben moved onto Zone #3 a bit too soon with the Aiming Point Concept. The situation is exasperated when he uses Impact Hand Location to define Aiming Point. Zone #3 is only as good as its Zone #1/2 support. The caveat to this is that Zone #3 must be coordinated with the other Zones as soon as possible. Here's another way I look at it. There is nothing wrong with Pivot Controlled Hands if it's seen as a transitional undertaking or a stepping stone for the ultimate Hands Controlled Pivot procedure. It's a good way to train the Pivot. It makes your Pivot more sensitive to alignments and more educated. I call it 'Educated Pivot'. So when you hand the job back to the Hands, it's actually got something worth controlling -- an Educated Pivot. These are just my thoughts which may deviate from the 'pure Homer Kelly' school of thought. Gotta make up your own mind at the end of the day! __________________ tongzilla tongzilla View Public Profile Send a private message to tongzilla Find all posts by tongzilla