LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - 2-P DOWN into the Ground to Full Lever Extension Thread: 2-P DOWN into the Ground to Full Lever Extension View Single Post #3 04-28-2006, 10:08 PM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Flailed it to death . . . BM#223 Originally Posted by EdZ Just to clarify, Homer assumes the flail begins at the left shoulder joint? If so, how does he account for the shoulder line in the physics of the flail? It could be argued that the flail begins in the RIGHT shoulder at the other extreme, and that the downward thrust of the right shoulder is the 'driving force'. But in either of those cases, there is no STABLE CENTER for the flail to be fixed to, unless it is the point in the center of the shoulder line, and the flail of force, the first 'link' in the flail is not a body part, but a line in 3 dimensional space from the center of the shoulder line to PP1 - in which case both arms straight past impact is EXACTLY when the true flail of force is again in line. I remain open to being convinced otherwise, but your statement of: -- is dependent upon (and therefore determined by) the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle of the Left Arm Flying Wedge at Impact Fix. Would seem to support my position of 'hugging' the 'first link' of the flail, as would the added benefit of ensuring the ball is long, long gone before true throw away could occur. All of the impact conditions Homer described would still hold true, but this removes the question of: However, in practice, the actual angle to the Plane Line -- the Forward Lean -- is dependent upon (and therefore determined by) the Shoulder-To-Ball Angle of the Left Arm Flying Wedge at Impact Fix. In other words, it is the hands to shoulder line relationship, the hands (PP1) moving around the fixed center between the shoulders/base of the neck. I'm not trying to discredit Homer, or anyone else, just trying to understand something that doesn't add up about the left shoulder being the begining of the flail - the lack of a stable center to create true rotational force Thanks - EdZ My answers have assumed the Scientific Principles and Terminology of The Golfing Machine and are correct within that context. Though I hoped otherwise, I suspected a hidden agenda in your line of questioning and am not surprised to see it surface. If you wish to redefine the Flail (and you apparently do) as an ethereal 'line in three-dimensional space' connecting the Center of the Shoulder Turn to the #1 Pressure Point -- or from the Right Foot to the #3 Pressure Point, for that matter -- then be my guest. My only request is that, in the future, please inform me of any non-TGM compliant personal definitions in advance of an extensive discussion and not in arrears. __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda