[golfgnome]

My hg's were one inch over standard length, plus 4 degrees more upright than standard and the shaft flexed out as softer than ladies. The clubs that I have now suit me very well. They are 1/4 inch over than standard length, 2 degrees flat, with a reg Dynalite shaft.

For the cost of my hg's I could have bought 3 sets of clubs that actually fit.

It is very unfortunate that you feel this way about your HG's. Before any more "experts" comment on HG let's first clarify a few points.
First of all what is "standard"? HG uses 37.5 inches on a five iron. Some use 37.75, 38, 38.25 depending on the company or the shaft used. Some companies actually have different standards for different clubs.
The same argument is made for lie angle. HG uses 61 degrees on a 5 iron. Other companies are more upright, again sometimes using more than one "standard". HG also changes lie angle by 1/2 degrees or less in some cases. Many companies have changed their own standards for the sake of sales.
So if your HG's are 38.5 inches on the 5 iron (plus 1 inch) and 65 degrees (4 up) then what standard are you using? Please remember that every manufacturer is different.
Now let's discuss shaft flex. How many cycles on what kind of shaft, at what length, etc. The reason many "experts" have a problem with HG's is because they do not understand what process is used. HG uses what is commonly called a "flat" cut in their irons, which means that there is about 1 cycle difference from club to club. A “standard” cut uses about 7 cycles from club to club. What this means is 2 completely different ways to measure flex. Which one is correct? That is for the player to determine. I enjoy the softer “feeling” short irons which a flat cut produces. HG can cut shafts either way for the player.
I have learned over the years not to question the fits of other golf professionals. As we all know there are a variety of ways to teach the golf swing, not all correct. There are also a number of ways to fit a golf club, not all are correct. I personally do not think a fit can be correct unless there is feedback from the player, teacher, and fitter. When I fit golf clubs I use a launch monitor, ball flight, and video. I use the club to change motion and ball flight. I will not sell a person golf clubs unless I feel it will improve their motion and subsequent ball flight. The reason I use HG is because they are THE ONLY GOLF CLUB MANUFACTURER that stands behind the teacher/ fitter and allows changes to be made for free in the 1st 100 days. Any changes after that for one year are done at half price. Why? Because HG wants the player to improve and understands how the equipment affects motion.
When you decided to buy your HG’s I am confident you did so because you actually hit the club and liked it. I would hope that a lie board was used and you did mark the clubs in the center of the face and center of the sole, If you played with them and did not like them you should have addressed this with your teacher/fitter. I have had students send testimonials to HG about how much they love their clubs then quit playing them because an “expert” said they were this or that, thus destroying their trust.

I just pulled apart a so called fitted HG club for a client today. Fitter had to have been on drugs. Builder must have had a quota for glue that had expired. I fix more HGs than almost any other brand of 'fitted clubs'. Not having a go at HGs just stating what I see. Over priced and the fitting system is still in the stone age. Most fitters are not TGM pro's and so just are ice cream salesmen...unlike the fellows who run this site.

Quotes like these are what TGM has been dealing with for years, a complete lack of understanding. Henry-Griffitts has pioneered fitting and does so many things that other companies not only will not do but CAN’T do. Our fitting cart has a minimum of 4,000 combinations of shaft type, flex, length, head design, lie angle, loft, etc. I think that most carts come with 40. HG was the first to introduce a 13 degree driver, the industry has since followed. HG was the first to come out with a 16 degree driver and the industry again is following. HG developed the interchangeable head system more than 10 years ago. Again the industry is following. These are just a few examples of HG’s stone-age mentality. Also, HG’s suggested retail price is the same as just about every other manufacturer out there. I invite anybody reading this to visit www.henry-griffitts.com and find out how dedicated we are to helping the student and teacher achieve their goals. Also, you might ask Lynn and Ted their opinions on HG and their views about what I demonstrate everyday as an HG fitter and TGM teacher.