Concept of Plane ...

[nuke99]

I'm still very confused about the concept of plane. where can i read it? sorry i had not have a copy of the golf machine, Im ordering one soon. but I need help please meanwhile.

No.1 What is a shaft plane, right arm plane and shoulder plane, which plane a swinger, ( say i would like to follow stuart appleby's model ) should follow in a downswing? I could not find a desired explanation in the forum...

No.2 What is a magic right forearm? I came accross in forum and Yoda explaining about Brian feeling the right forearm , lag, working etc and hitting them a long way .
I can almost relate it. I can remember experiencing such a lag before in some of my shots, somewhat in line with my right forearm and with very little efforts my ball is straight and very long (320 yards) .Unfortunately I only did it a few times ever and could never ever repeat them .. ... Can someone pls explain this concept another way?... i could not grasp it .

Thanks and have a great day !

[Mathew]

I'm still very confused about the concept of plane. where can i read it? sorry i had not have a copy of the golf machine, Im ordering one soon. but I need help please meanwhile.

No.1 What is a shaft plane, right arm plane and shoulder plane, which plane a swinger, ( say i would like to follow stuart appleby's model ) should follow in a downswing? I could not find a desired explanation in the forum...

No.2 What is a magic right forearm? I came accross in forum and Yoda explaining about Brian feeling the right forearm , lag, working etc and hitting them a long way .
I can almost relate it. I can remember experiencing such a lag before in some of my shots, somewhat in line with my right forearm and with very little efforts my ball is straight and very long (320 yards) .Unfortunately I only did it a few times ever and could never ever repeat them .. ... Can someone pls explain this concept another way?... i could not grasp it .

Thanks and have a great day !

The club always points directly at a straight plane line unless it is parallel to it. This means the club is always going to be flat against against a flat plane (roof) that allows the sweetspot to go directly into the ball. The plane angle can change but the plane line does not.... {angle of roof becomes steeper or flater yet gutter stays the same)

A straight line relationship to a straight line....

[Mathew]

On a more advanced note which might not help out immediately but something to put into your incubator - the plane shifts or pivots around the line of compression through the ball. (Edit: thats through the ball at seperation that isn't quite true either unless its a straightaway flight your after) As most know by now it is the longitudinal center of gravity is what remains onplane. This allows an onplane force to drive the sweetspot directly towards and through the line of compression. The low point plane line will change as the plane adjusts.

[nuke99]

Matthew,

Thank you but ..too advanced !!... Orr Ng understand wor pang yao !.


can you use baby steps please ... Dor Ceh !

[lagster]

On a more advanced note which might not help out immediately but something to put into your incubator - the plane shifts or pivots around the line of compression through the ball. (Edit: thats through the ball at seperation that isn't quite true either unless its a straightaway flight your after) As most know by now it is the longitudinal center of gravity is what remains onplane. This allows an onplane force to drive the sweetspot directly towards and through the line of compression. The low point plane line will change as the plane adjusts.

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Look at the picture beside Mathew's name. That is an INCLINED PLANE. The club(shaft and head) slides up and down that plane.
A PLANE is just a flat surface.

Most people whould probably only putt, chip, or pitch on the plane in the picture. With most people the club will come off that original angle at around waist high on the backswing. At the TOP the club will end up more over your right shoulder, but(ideally) will still be on a plane parallel to the original one.

There are a variety of options coming DOWN(and BACK actually), but many pros shift back down to the original angle at around waist hight on the downswing, and stay on that through impact, and on into the followthrough. At the FINISH, you will come off that original angle again.

Now... there are many plane variations (Jim Furyk, John Daly), but all these guys get back on to a good plane somewhere on the downswing. If you consistently get a good ball flight... it's OK.

[nuke99]

Thank you
How about right forearm magic and its relationship with tilt , and plane? ...

[tongzilla]

No.2 What is a magic right forearm? I came accross in forum and Yoda explaining about Brian feeling the right forearm , lag, working etc and hitting them a long way .
I can almost relate it. I can remember experiencing such a lag before in some of my shots, somewhat in line with my right forearm and with very little efforts my ball is straight and very long (320 yards) .Unfortunately I only did it a few times ever and could never ever repeat them .. ... Can someone pls explain this concept another way?... i could not grasp it .

The Magic of the Right Forearm -- last paragraph of 7-3.

The Right Forearm Traces (points at) the Plane Line from Release to Impact. The Right Forearm must be in-line with the Clubshaft to do this.

Keeping your Right Wrist Level (4-B-1), by bending and straightening the Right Elbow you can Cock (4-B-2) and Uncock (4-B-3) your Left Wrist.

Clubhead Lag is a different concept.

[nuke99]

longitudinal center of gravity <~~ sorry what is this please?

and why swinger use longitudinal acceleration ? not rotation? I thought swinger use rotation because of centrifugal force? QQ

Thank you so much !

[Mathew]

longitudinal center of gravity <~~ sorry what is this please?

and why swinger use longitudinal acceleration ? not rotation? I thought swinger use rotation because of centrifugal force? QQ

Thank you so much !

If you hold the butt end of the club and also hold a string against it with a weight attached by your fingertips - you will find it will travel directly to the sweetspot - This is the longitudinal center of gravity.... - in practical terms it means you always point the sweetspot at a straight line back from the ball - the shaft rotates around the sweetspot and not vise versa.....

The left arm and clubshaft is driven into impact by pivot thrust in the swingers procedure which means the hand will still be turned to the plane until the powers that be rolls the left hand back to vertical ...left arm karate chop - rope handle technique....

[12 piece bucket]

Thank you
How about right forearm magic and its relationship with tilt , and plane? ...

Very good and astute question Nuke . . .

First of all to answer this question you must understand the concept of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the Level Right Wrist.



The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is basically having the Clubshaft and Right FOREARM in the same plane like a javelin thrower. Check the cat out in this pic. See how the javelin and his right forearm could lay on a table if he dropped them down. The table is the PLANE. So in javelin chucking the table(plane of motion) is Vertical. In baseball the plane is Horizontal . . . See how the forearm and bat are in the same plane and could lay on a table?



. . . and golf the Plane is INCLINED . . . like a roof.



See how Lee Buck's Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same plane?

So the Magic of the Right Forearm is this. If you go to Impact Fix and have your Right Forearm and Clubshaft in the same plane, you can actually see and feel the Inclined Plane that the club swings upon just by looking at your Right Forearm and where it is pointing. Back Up and In . . . Down Out and Forward.