Concept of Plane ...

[Weightshift]

..but when in the downswing does this karate chop occur?

My question has been answered in another thread:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3064
#2 Drilling the Correct Downstroke Motion

"The cure is to learn a proper Downstroke. First, make sure your Start Down is On Plane. Do many Start Down Waggles to assure that you are pulling the butt-end of the Club directly toward the Plane Line. Then, take this motion into the Release area, making sure you Uncock and Roll while still driving toward -- not down -- the Plane Line. Finally, complete your Total Motion by Swiveling out of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) and into the Finish. Make sure the butt-end of the Club points toward the Plane Line as you Finish Swivel."

Thanks

[KnighT]

On a more advanced note which might not help out immediately but something to put into your incubator - the plane shifts or pivots around the line of compression through the ball. (Edit: thats through the ball at seperation that isn't quite true either unless its a straightaway flight your after) As most know by now it is the longitudinal center of gravity is what remains onplane. This allows an onplane force to drive the sweetspot directly towards and through the line of compression. The low point plane line will change as the plane adjusts.

This is an amazing concept. Mathew, this post cleared up alot of fog for me. I still need to put it in my incubator (along with all those other TGM eggs). This makes all those angles and geometry start to have some real purpose. So this is a good reason for a stationary head: to pivot around the line of compression.

[Patrick O'Hara]

Very good and astute question Nuke . . .

First of all to answer this question you must understand the concept of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and the Level Right Wrist.



The Right Forearm Flying Wedge is basically having the Clubshaft and Right FOREARM in the same plane like a javelin thrower. Check the cat out in this pic. See how the javelin and his right forearm could lay on a table if he dropped them down. The table is the PLANE. So in javelin chucking the table(plane of motion) is Vertical. In baseball the plane is Horizontal . . . See how the forearm and bat are in the same plane and could lay on a table?



. . . and golf the Plane is INCLINED . . . like a roof.



See how Lee Buck's Right Forearm and Clubshaft are in the same plane?

So the Magic of the Right Forearm is this. If you go to Impact Fix and have your Right Forearm and Clubshaft in the same plane, you can actually see and feel the Inclined Plane that the club swings upon just by looking at your Right Forearm and where it is pointing. Back Up and In . . . Down Out and Forward.

That at impact fix when I get my right forearm on plane that my clubface works to an open position at address. I have hit some great shots from here...it just looks different!

[Sonic_Doom]

while still driving toward -- not down -- the Plane Line.

Can someone explain to me the difference between down and driving toward?

CW

[6bmike]

Can someone explain to me the difference between down and driving toward?

CW

The incline plane is three dimensional- Down- Out and Through. To stay On Plane all three will feel like One.

If you break them into stations- Down goes the right shoulder and arms, Out goes the clubhead with the turning body and clubhead travels Through the ball On Plane. Of the three- DOWN will always be felt. You can't cheat Down.

[12 piece bucket]

That at impact fix when I get my right forearm on plane that my clubface works to an open position at address. I have hit some great shots from here...it just looks different!

Two things . . . 1. the clubface is square to the line of flight at SEPARATION not Impact. So depending upon your selected procedure (swinging or hitting/manipulated hands swinging) and selected Hinge Action . . . your clubface may need to be open to be square at separation.

2. To expand upon the hinging dealie . . . if you use Angled Hinging . . . . the HARDER you are going to hit the ball, the more closed the clubface should be at address. WHY you say? Because with Angled Hinging the clubface is closing AND LAYING BACK. Soooooooo . . . if you are gonna hit it hard or the longer the shot, the LONGER THE BALL IS ON THE CLUBFACE THRU IMPACT . . . AND THE MORE IT IS EFFECTED BY THE LAYBACK . . .AND THE GREATER THE TENDENCY TO FADE. The opposite is true for Horizontal Hinging . . . the Longer the shot the more OPEN you set the clubface . . . because it is CLOSING ONLY.

If you take your grip at fix and take the above into account you can make the necessary adjustments to effect the "on-plane" right forearm thingie.

[12 piece bucket]

Can someone explain to me the difference between down and driving toward?

CW

I would like an answer to this too . . . DOWN implies VERTICAL motion VERTICAL in relation to the ground . . . Where as DOWN PLANE implies an ANGLED LINE. So which term is the most appropriate for people to get DOWN or DOWN PLANE?

So if you were looking at rectangle (Plane) is DOWN a straight line VERTICAL TO THE GROUND or is it an ANGLED LINE?

[Sonic_Doom]

The incline plane is three dimensional- Down- Out and Through. To stay On Plane all three will feel like One.

If you break them into stations- Down goes the right shoulder and arms, Out goes the clubhead with the turning body and clubhead travels Through the ball On Plane. Of the three- DOWN will always be felt. You can't cheat Down.

I quoted from text that Lynn posted, not sure if its from the book. I understand the inclined plane and all that but in the passage there is a distinction made between "down" and "toward".

I took it to mean 'driving toward the plane line' but not 'down the plane line' hence I can't discern the difference.


CW

[strav]

I'm still very confused about the concept of plane. where can i read it?

Search for the Perfect Swing claims Kel Nagle is in a perfect in plane position above. The ball, #4 Pressure Point, Left arm, hands, shaft and clubhead appear in a straight line.
The B photo shows the shaft and clubhead well off plane.

[Weightshift]

I quoted from text that Lynn posted, not sure if its from the book. I understand the inclined plane and all that but in the passage there is a distinction made between "down" and "toward".
I took it to mean 'driving toward the plane line' but not 'down the plane line' hence I can't discern the difference.
CW

You are driving the grip of the club in a circular motion so at start down with e.g. drag loading, the direction the end of the grip is pointing cannot be towards the ball but only towards the plane line. Strictly speaking any applied force is tangental. When you get into the release area you the driving down the plane line to impact. That how I see it.