[DOCW3]

Not off plane in my view - just a very steep plane - and a very steep path\plane of his hands motion (the path of the pressure points in 3 dimensinonal space).

You have to watch what the hands/pressure points do. The plane is defined by the hands (pressure points) and the sweet spot - not the shaft - and unless you have zeroed out #3 - far better to just watch the path of the hands for 'the' plane.

I am really not clear on what we are looking for in these photos and if it is the samenesses or the differences that are significant. The biggest question being where the sweet spot should be and the adequacy of the camera angle. Hoch sure looks different in this set, giving Tiger some slack and not knowing where BC's ball is. I would want to see Hoch at the top.

I tend to agree that one needs to watch the hands, but to see if one is on plane or shifting and not to define the plane. HK did not define a plane angle with the lag pressure point. He did say that both the sweet spot plane and the shaft plane pass through the lag pressure point. OTOH, the path the hands take in both directions does seem to be significant in the stroke concepts of some if not many tour players.

DRW