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Old 01-26-2007, 08:01 AM
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According to some notes from a series of audio tapes with Mr Kelley conducting an AI class, he said

"Swingers and Hitters both drive the sweet spot at the inside aft quadrant of the ball on an Angle of Approach!"

My question is if he actually meant it or if it is a wrong in the transcript?

Because I cannot find it in the book.

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Originally Posted by Amen Corner View Post
According to some notes from a series of audio tapes with Mr Kelley conducting an AI class, he said

"Swingers and Hitters both drive the sweet spot at the inside aft quadrant of the ball on an Angle of Approach!"

My question is if he actually meant it or if it is a wrong in the transcript?

Because I cannot find it in the book.

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Depends on the Delivery Line Bossmang . . .

Trace a Straight Plane Line Swangin' or Hittin' = BACKADABALL
Angle of Approach (typically a Hitter's Option) = INSIDEASSADABALL
Arc of Approach (typically a Swanger's Option) = INSIDEASSADABALL

Can you smell what I'm cookin'?

I'm incubatin' a post on the REAL intrinsic difference in Swangin' and Hittin' . . . It has to do with Angular Momentum and how it's dealt with. Homer talks about it . . . the dude was AMAZING!

I'll holla back . . .
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Old 01-26-2007, 11:21 AM
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Depends on the Delivery Line Bossmang . . .

Trace a Straight Plane Line Swangin' or Hittin' = BACKADABALL
Angle of Approach (typically a Hitter's Option) = INSIDEASSADABALL
Arc of Approach (typically a Swanger's Option) = INSIDEASSADABALL

Can you smell what I'm cookin'?

I'm incubatin' a post on the REAL intrinsic difference in Swangin' and Hittin' . . . It has to do with Angular Momentum and how it's dealt with. Homer talks about it . . . the dude was AMAZING!

I'll holla back . . .

It smells well over the pond.......save for me pls.

Now, IF the quote is valid, WHY does he say that both SWINGING and Hitting DRIVE on a ANGLE OF APPROACH........

Thats why, the first question to answer is IF it is valid........

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It smells well over the pond.......save for me pls.

Now, IF the quote is valid, WHY does he say that both SWINGING and Hitting DRIVE on a ANGLE OF APPROACH........

Thats why, the first question to answer is IF it is valid........

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Because THRUST is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS Crossline . . . even CF goes OUT . . . .that's why your clubface is hooked. The force is at right angles to the radius which is going down OUT and forward. the clubface is hooked to divert the force down the target line.

Motion is on line but thrust is out.

Smell it?
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Because THRUST is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS Crossline . . . even CF goes OUT . . . .that's why your clubface is hooked. The force is at right angles to the radius which is going down OUT and forward. the clubface is hooked to divert the force down the target line.

Motion is on line but thrust is out.

Smell it?
Oki doki,

Doesnt the Swinger use Arc of Approach? And Drag Loading......
And you cannot have an Angle of Approach to a Angle of Approach........

Suddenly the smell is gone......

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Oki doki,

Doesnt the Swinger use Arc of Approach? And Drag Loading......
And you cannot have an Angle of Approach to a Angle of Approach........

Suddenly the smell is gone......

HOLLA!!!

Remember pards . . . Thrust is ACTION, Physics . . . it's more about the Endless Belt and Straight Line Delivery Path . . . which is set at angle which would extend out beyond the plane line.

On the other hand, MOTION is the delivery LINE of the clubhead which the geometric basis is the true geometric Plane Line. The Arc of Approach and Angle of Approach are derived from two points on the plane line.

So Thrust action physics is crossline BUT Motion delivery release motions are ON-LINE.

Any better?
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Remember pards . . . Thrust is ACTION, Physics . . . it's more about the Endless Belt and Straight Line Delivery Path . . . which is set at angle which would extend out beyond the plane line.

On the other hand, MOTION is the delivery LINE of the clubhead which the geometric basis is the true geometric Plane Line. The Arc of Approach and Angle of Approach are derived from two points on the plane line.

So Thrust action physics is crossline BUT Motion delivery release motions are ON-LINE.

Any better?
What if we just say that thrust delivery, via the PPs, are all straight line BUT, even so, the club head always follows an arc.

Does that clear it up at all?
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One of the most critical issues/concepts to incubate or understand is this . . .

Mr. Kelley ingeniously said . . .

The FORCE of the CLUBHEAD is at 90 degrees to the CLUBSHAFT . . . like a ball that would leave a swinging string . . . The mistake people make is thinking the direction of force is the CLUBFACE! It ain't . . . the plane is inclined and thus has an outward component in addition to the down and forward.

Steering results from thinking that the force comes from the clubFACE and they want to get the face square at impact and not separation. You can totally understand this and STILL not do it. Visually from the golfer's perspective the clubhead should look like it passes OUTSIDE the line of flight of the ball.

The thrust in swinging CF aligns the clubshaft so if you mix up the concept with the face being the force . . . you wreck/overpower cf. This thrust gotta be cross-line.
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post

Remember pards . . . Thrust is ACTION, Physics . . . it's more about the Endless Belt and Straight Line Delivery Path . . . which is set at angle which would extend out beyond the plane line.

On the other hand, MOTION is the delivery LINE of the clubhead which the geometric basis is the true geometric Plane Line. The Arc of Approach and Angle of Approach are derived from two points on the plane line.

So Thrust action physics is crossline BUT Motion delivery release motions are ON-LINE.
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One of the most critical issues/concepts to incubate or understand is this . . .

Mr. Kelley ingeniously said . . .

The FORCE of the CLUBHEAD is at 90 degrees to the CLUBSHAFT . . . like a ball that would leave a swinging string . . . The mistake people make is thinking the direction of force is the CLUBFACE! It ain't . . . the plane is inclined and thus has an outward component in addition to the down and forward.

Steering results from thinking that the force comes from the clubFACE and they want to get the face square at impact and not separation. You can totally understand this and STILL not do it. Visually from the golfer's perspective the clubhead should look like it passes OUTSIDE the line of flight of the ball.

The thrust in swinging CF aligns the clubshaft so if you mix up the concept with the face being the force . . . you wreck/overpower cf. This thrust gotta be cross-line.
And there you have it.

Rich, you have come far in the past three years.

I am proud of you!

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And there you have it.

Rich, you have come far in the past three years.

I am proud of you!

All I can say is . . . it's all because you got sick!
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