[12 piece bucket]

Ive been wondering what is the point of moving from the right forearm plane to the turned right shoulder plane?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just stay on the right forearm plane throughout and have a single plane swing?

I've noticed that Stack and Tilters by and large have that single "flat" plane.

I'm just wondering what is the benefit of going up to a different plane and then back down again in the downswing.

I think people get mixed up on this one plane two plane terminology stuff . . . .that's why Mr. Kelley's language though somewhat perceived as goofy, complicated and cultish is excellent in precision communication.

The way I understand this one plane two plane deal is how the arms and the shoulders match at the top. Now you techinically could have a "zero shift" with both a 1 plane and a 2 plane swing. I say techinical because I think by definition there ain't nobody that don't shift the PLANE ANGLE some throught the swing. So an example of a 2 planer close to no shifty would be Scott Hoch. An example of a 1 planer no shifty-ish would be Hogan.

So now the discussion becomes . . . why would you want to attempt to zero shift? And if you do shift where do you shift in the progression of the stroke and where is it more dangerous than less? So take a look at Furyk for example. Got a whackjob fruitcake looking motion . . . BUT when you get him down to "delivery" . . . .there ain't a whole lot of angle or plane line shifting going on at all. So like Mr. Kelley said . . . you can clown the backstroke . . . . so really it's in the downstroke were you need to pay attention to the shifting. I'd submit 1. you want to start looking at the plane angle "approximately" when the left arm gets "parallel-ish" to the ground. That's where you can start seeing if the club is moving on the REAL plane angle or getting thrown out over or under it. And would submit that the closer you get to the ball . . . the MORE DANGEROUS the shift becomes . . . it's like dynamically creating a ball that's gonna respond like it's above or below your feet. So if you raise the handle up dynamically it shoots the face vector to the right AND it also makes any amount of hand motion (rotation) make the clubface flash closed fast . . . pushes hooks and snipes. Vicey versy . . . if you have the ball above your feet the face vector looks left . . . so you get pulls and pull cuts and slicey. That's why you see a lotta slicers with big motor cycle grips . .. they swing out over the plane shift the plane line left and instinctively know that "dude I gotta get this ball to start left so it'll peal off to the target."

So basically all this goes back to understanding the "rules" . . . IT'S a game of FACE . . . ball starts where the face looks . . . and curves away from the path of the clubhead.