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Could you clarify a few things for me . . . . what do you mean by "hang back" in your Drive Loading reference? Just because the right shoulder moves in and doesn't "hang back" are we to infer "4 barrels" are being employed?

The Right Shoulder , the Pivot moves through the shot , powers the shot, for the Swinger or for the 4B Hitter..........(a Hitter who Drag Loads in Startdown like a Swinger but then Thrusts in Release).

But lets distinguish a Drag Load Startdown from a Drive Load Startdown just isolating the shoulder motion (if we can . . . maybe you can't just isolate that one piece).

OK .....regarding 12-1 and 12-2, Drive vs Drag.......to my mind the difference in Right Shoulder motion is a result of the work provided by the Right Shoulder within each. The right arm attaches to the Right Shoulder at one end and the grip at the other. In 12-1 Drive Loading. The Right Arm Drives , Actively extends (in most cases in a side armed throwing motion, fanning and bending) off of the Right Shoulder which provides no thrust or work of its own although it can move (especially in longer shots from Top to Release). Right Shoulder "Motion but not Work" in Total Motion.

Where as the Swinger, Drag Loader, the Pivot moves the Right Shoulder through the shot with the Right Shoulder working , providing accelerating force to the club. Here the Right Shoulder spins the Left Shoulder which pulls the Left Arm which attaches to the club.

EAch procedure has its own associated pressure points as well but thats a different bit of business.

So in Drive Loading, depending on the length of shot at hand the Right Shoulder can be essentially motionless or move during the Delivery of the Fully Loaded power package to its Release Point (from Top to Release) but this is not powering anything.....just delivering. Which I call "hanging back" maybe I shouldnt of used that term cause its no where to be found in the book or Lynns words.

4B at least the version I know......You Drag Load in Startdown then Drive in Release. The Right Shoulder , the Pivot providing work, power and the Right Arm extending against it like a Launching Pad that is also moving. Meaning added power. But with a cost....which is also another matter.

I see Hogan's Right Shoulder moving right on through the shot beautifully, like everything else he does. I see Longitudinal Acceleration, " arrow from quiver" ,Rope Handling, Active Left Wrist ....all classically associated with and indicative of Drag Loading in Startdown. He is Drag Loading for sure in Startdown...

But what he did at Release , while he is typically thought to be Swinging there too, would be an interesting discussion. One that could take us Hitting given the existence of what Homer termed the X Classification Throws........the unlisted throws that Homer knew were out there but remained unidentified during his time.

Wanna get the lab coats on? How crazy you wanna get?