Now I see it, clear as can be! In the sequences posted, from release through follow-through, Mac's right forearm looks to be tethering around the spine...Vijay's is just all over the place. Annakin, now I see why you classified Vijay's move as XXX rated! I can also see (at least I think I can) why Mac's set-up works for him. However, would this be something you would recommend that mere mortals copy, or without sufficient knowledge would that be sailing into dangerous seas?
I'm seeing that too! Makes sense to me . . . seems to be pretty machine-like too. We are able to talk about the joints of the wrists and club moving in the appropriate plane with regards to the Flying Wedges. It seems pretty logical that Flying Wedge Assemblies would have a relationship to the spine as well, particularly with the bend at the hips and Axis Tilt.
BUT what the hell is a TETHER? I know that Tether Locklear has pretty good alignments . . .
Tether:def. N and V 1.) a rope, chain, or the like by which an animal is fastens to a fixed object as to limits its range of movement. 2.) The utmost length to which one can go in action. 3.) To fasten or confine with or as if with a tether
Tether Ball: def. n. 1.) a game in which two players hit a ball attached to a post, the object being coiled around the post
TGM Glossary:
Pivot Center- Example/Tether Ball Pole (page 236)
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brains and eggs...
glad you guys are starting to see the forest from the trees...
Let's keep it up!!
I'm learning there are many paths through the forest, of which many bring you to the clearing...eureka...
So you come across a fire...and ...it's outta control....let me tell you somethin .....BOOM!!!...It's dangerous
But when it's under control... kiddies.....Fire can be your friend ...It has a tons of Versatility and Uses....Or put another way .....A Ton of Variations!!!
So..until the next time ... you can get close ...but not too close..or you'll get burnt
AS
Last edited by annikan skywalker : 11-16-2005 at 11:36 AM.
There used to be a post on Manzella's website of Mac hitting, but I can't find it now otherwise I could figure this out myself.
When Mac does hitting does his right forearm look like it's teether around the spine as well???
Can't this be affected by how he sets up at address to hit?
Man I really wish I had printed off those pics of Mac hitting they'd be really useful.
Bucket...you are way too flattering...just doing what I know and love dude!!!!
For you "poo-pooers" of MORAD out there...check this out!!!
Mac starts on the Hands only Plane until have way up then shifts to the Elbow plane and as aresult of the lengthening of his stroke locates the Turned Shoulder Plane even with the Rotated Shoulder Turn Component....then pending on ball flight...in this case shifts back down to the elbow plane during downstroke and impact...then after folow-through begins to shift it up to the Turned Shoulder Plane and perhaps on this shot slightly above....Definitley NOT Zero Shift!!!
But where it counts...
NOW you may not like or understand his backstroke pattern...
BUT let's TALK...
start down,downstroke, release, impact,follow-through and finish...
SHOW ME BETTER!!!
AS
Skywalker~
For me understanding the shoulders as in Basic Plane Angles/Clubshaft Control and Body Control/Shoulder Turn was an effort and 7-13 SHOULDER TURN left an impression.
Although this tread may be "Advanced" concepts, considering it is posted in Basics, what is the significance of the TSP in the O'Grady analysis ?
* Mac does not reach the preselected downstroke clubshaft plane in the turn back..
* PP3 does not trace the TSP in the move down.
* Less clear from the photos, but it is questionable if the right shoulder traces the TSP in the move down.
However.....Mac is not using the Straight Line delivery path and Zero Shift...With all due respect....He's not even using the Single Shift...
He uses a Top Arc/Angle Line for this particular shot requires a Double Shift back down to the Elbow Plane...
He started on the Hands Only Plane...I doubt this is his pre-selected downstroke plane...
You're right the Shoulder doesn't move down the Turned Shoulder....Why?
The right Shoulder is Turning on the Rotated Shoulder Turn which is at Right angles to his Spine...That being said.... the flatter planes such as the...Elbow and Hands OnlyPlanes... the Shoulder may move on a path that is "Parallel" to the Plane Angle rather than the recommended ON Plane Procedure which provides support to the Hands and the Club....
Checkout the stripes in his shirt in Frame #7...Not on-plane but....Parallel to the Elbow Plane?
This is another reason why Mac ..sets-up and has the amounts of #3 Accumulator, Waist Bend and Knee Bend....
You don't have to use the recommended pattern in Chapter 12 to be a real player...But I recommend you learn Chapter 12 before you customize it...
BTW...noticed he missed Qualifying School again....There's more to the game than a great swing and striking it pure.....Hmmmmm
Back to the pics....
The nuts and bolts are represented by frames #5,#6,#7
The significance ....is you can locate a Turned Shoulder Plane with a Rotated Shoulder Turn ...You don't need to be Standard and you don't HAVE to set-up on the Turned Shoulder unless you're lookin for a Zero Shift...I bet you asking why would he not use a zero shift...Well maybe his intentions are not to hit a straight ball? Perhaps he enjoys a stroke pattern that allows a little versatility? Rather than the "Uncompensated" recommendation in Chapter 12.
Last edited by annikan skywalker : 11-16-2005 at 11:25 PM.
<<I bet you asking why would he not use a zero shift>>
No, it is not a requirement. I just wanted to know what benefit it is to locate the TSP if he was not doing anything with it and it appeared to me that he wasn't.
BTW, is there something about entering impact on the elbow plane that improves "ball striking?" I believe this is also reflected with Trevino and Ben teaches a through the waist plane.
<<I bet you asking why would he not use a zero shift>>
Not at all! It is not a requirement. I just wanted to know what benefit it is to locate the TSP if he was not doing anything with it and it appeared to me that he wasn't.
DRW
Has he not located the Turned Shoulder Plane with both the Club and his hands in Frame #4???...Perhaps I'm not reading your point correctly!!!! He just locates the Turned Shoulder Plane as a result of over-lengthening his stroke via a double shift...If he hits Cut shots I've seen him use Single Shift...rather than the pics posted here...I'll try to post some different pics of him using a different procedure....For Comparison!!!
I think the primary benefit is Maximum participation and Range of Motion of the Power Package Components are utlized which gives perhaps better performance characteristics of the other Plane Angles and their Variations...
Has he not located the Turned Shoulder Plane with both the Club and his hands in Frame #4???...Perhaps I'm not reading your point correctly!!!! He just locates the Turned Shoulder Plane as a result of over-lengthening his stroke via a double shift...If he hits Cut shots I've seen him use Single Shift...rather than the pics posted here...I'll try to post some different pics of him using a different procedure....For Comparison!!!
I think the primary benefit is Maximum participation and Range of Motion of the Power Package Components are utlized which gives perhaps better performance characteristics of the other Plane Angles and their Variations...
Brandle Chamblee made an interesting point the other night on TGC. He suggest that swinging on a single plane was not advisable. He was talking about that Hardy dude's version of single plane which based on the Yellow Book ain't single plane but whatever. Anyway the point he was making was this . . .
If you swing in a single plane with no Shift, it will be physically difficult to trace the plane precisely everytime particularly in the heat of competition. So he advised that a Plane Shift was a good thing becaused if you know you are going to shift planes (over or under) everytime then your resulting ball flight will be more predictible. Examples Lee Buck push cut, Bruce Leaky pull cut, etc. Where as if you do not shift planes then you could be a little under or a little over resulting in a unpredictible ball flight.
It does sort of make sense. I've always fretted about what I understand is my "double-shift to the elbow plane" (a little like Sergio's old move). One of the best things I did was have Brian M look at a video of my swing. After he told me to not worry about the double-shift I got back to just "swinging" and not constantly fiddling with trying to eliminate that shift. My ball-strking has been really good the last few months and I don't spend all my practice time trying to eliminate what seems to be my natural motion. That equates to more short game time and I feel like I'm playing to my zero handicap again.
I still think there is more precision to be had in my swing, but it doesn't consume me like it used to.
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