Left Arm Flying Wedge and Plane
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01-15-2006, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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Absolutely! E.g. with a Turned Left Hand...
Ok...we are all picking on little things about my question (which is all very good), but no one has attempted to answer it!
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Answer to your initial question - no, it is not, although as a mental image/feel this can be helpful in some cases (Hogan's pane of glass)
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01-15-2006, 05:06 PM
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Lets dig deeper
What is a Swivel?
A Swivel is a rotation of the Left Wrist from a Turned position to a Vertical position (Release Swivel) or from a Vertical position to a Turned position (Startup Swivel).
For those enquiring minds who need references to confirm what I've just stated:
4-C-2: “When TURNED…the left palm faces directly toward that Plane."
4-D-0:
"Normally, only Swingers with their Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) “Swivel” –- that is, actually rotate the Left Wrist –- through Release into its Vertical Position for Impact." [bold by tongzilla]
10-18-A:
Standard Wrist Action
"With this procedure with Wrist is Turned and Cocked (FCT) during the Backstroke which requires that it be Rolled and Uncocked during the Release. Only where this procedure is used, do the Hands “Swivel” into Hinge Action Position." [bold by tongzilla]
Hence my conclusion:
The Left Arm Flying Wedge must be facing directly toward the Plane from the end of the Startup Swivel until the beginning of Release, according to The Golfing Machine.
But a lot of people disagree with that (including me). So it's either wrong, or have I missed something?
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01-15-2006, 05:24 PM
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'facing the plane' and the 'entire left arm wedge parallel to the plane' are different.
Take a look at the photo 10-13-D #2. The hands are 'clapped' ONTO the plane, or as I like to say - "hugging the flail" 
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01-15-2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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'facing the plane' and the 'entire left arm wedge parallel to the plane' are different.
Take a look at the photo 10-13-D #2. The hands are 'clapped' ONTO the plane, or as I like to say - "hugging the flail"
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Actuatlly, Homer said "facing directly toward the Plane.
And per 2-R, picture presents the subject only as noted in the written discussion and is not intended as a reference regarding any of the other aspects or subjects which the picture may include incidentally. 10-13-D #2 is showing Right Shoulder relationship with the Plane, no more, no less.
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01-15-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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Actually, Homer said "facing directly toward the Plane.
And per 2-R, picture presents the subject only as noted in the written discussion and is not intended as a reference regarding any of the other aspects or subjects which the picture may include incidentally. 10-13-D #2 is showing Right Shoulder relationship with the Plane, no more, no less.
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As I read this, I find myself thinking...
Around here, even the arguments are so...
Civilized.
Gotta love it!
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01-15-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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As I read this, I find myself thinking...
Around here, even the arguments are so...
Civilized.
Gotta love it!
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Around here, it is more reasoned debate than unsubstantiated argument.
That's another reason why I love it!!!
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01-16-2006, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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As I read this, I find myself thinking...
Around here, even the arguments are so...
Civilized.
Gotta love it!
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It's true man....you prolly can't find a thread in the forum that has been reduced to a name calling match. Most other forums have em in spades.
....all business....I like it. Argue but don't bitch.
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01-16-2006, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
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It's true man....you prolly can't find a thread in the forum that has been reduced to a name calling match. Most other forums have em in spades.
....all business....I like it. Argue but don't bitch.
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Shut up Canada boy! Before we lob a nuke your way! 
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01-15-2006, 05:26 PM
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One More Swivel
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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What is a Swivel?
A Swivel is a rotation of the Left Wrist from a Turned position to a Vertical position (Release Swivel) or from a Vertical position to a Turned position (Startup Swivel).
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Or into a Wrists 'parallel to the Plane' (On Plane Condition) in the Finish Swivel (4-D-0 and 2-G).
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01-15-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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Hence my conclusion:
The Left Arm Flying Wedge must be facing directly toward the Plane from the end of the Startup Swivel until the beginning of Release, according to The Golfing Machine.[/b]
But a lot of people disagree with that (including me). So it's either wrong, or have I missed something?
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Tong . . . why the disagreement? Interested to hear your opinion.
Thanks!
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