hands in downswing?

[Trane]

I'm not sure Comdpa exactly what side of the fence your on with this, but I like your basketball analogy. I'm not a basketball stud, but I did work on my shot last year quite a bit as both of my sons were playing on city leagues & made for some great father/son bonding!

I know there is is no way I can hit 3's without using my legs & feet. I watch some of the guys in the NBA do it with just upper body, but these guys are huge compare to my whopping 155#'s (wet !!) A lot of those NBA guys shooting 3's still use the lower body.

So as this relates to golf, is you must use the lower body to hit powerful golf shots. You don't have to do, it...we dont in basic motion, and most dont in acquired motion, but in total motion powerful shots....my computer has finally (after 2 months of incubating on this) told me the lower body has to do several things to allow my arms, hands etc. to move thru the ball correctly.

I have to agree with Mathew...about the lag pressure & the primary lever...

I personally take the clug away with the hands, back with the hands, up with the hands...all the way to the top and then SLIDE the hips....as I drag load...then I rotate the hips as I swing the left arms firing #4, #2, & #3 accumulators down the base of the plane line. So, in my mind, I see this as hands controlled pivot, even though my hands didn't move my pivot on the downswing, as it did on the backswing. However, if I don't slide and rotate, I can't clear the right hip, I will round house, or run out of right arm which makes me hit it fat or flip the club face....and LEFT of my target!

I'm still new to TGM so if I've butchered this stuff guys (Mathew, Compda, Yoda & gang) let me know...but my ball striking has improved so much, I feel like I'm a professional witha 15 handicap!

[landshark]

ok. i'm starting to get it to a degree. without all the tgm wording, etc, i should let the body do its thing as pretty much described, but give a place or location for it to go with using the hands. am i getting the jist of it?

[comdpa]

ok. i'm starting to get it to a degree. without all the tgm wording, etc, i should let the body do its thing as pretty much described, but give a place or location for it to go with using the hands. am i getting the jist of it?

landshark,

You pretty much got it.

Put your focus on the hands and whatever the body does, let it do.

In the golf swing, all we want to do is to take the hands up the plane to the Top and then back down the plane through to the Finish.

Impact is not a station or location to aim for as it is incidental to the swing.

A caveat however. For some of us, the body will disrupt this up and down path the hands must take, but that is another topic altogether...

[landshark]

thanks for the confidence. one more quick question: direction generally is good but misses tend to be thinned shots if anything. i have a feeling that i tend to go more forward in the swing rather than going more 'down'. is there an easy solution?

[Trane]

I believe you got it, but I also believe that most average golfers and hackers don't properly use their lower bodies. When they use it, if they do, its also at the wrong time for many players. As in my case, I would use the hip action as merely a reaction from my hands and arms...trying to follow the hands controlled pivot approach. I tell you, this will cause problems if you don't clear the right hip. So now, I have had to add onto my machine, by a hip slide move and hip turn as I drag load.

After looking back at your initial post, I believe that to answer your question, the pulling from the left start at the very top (drag loading)10-19-C. "It is an out an out PULL..."
Also, according to Homer, one must develope an istant hip acceleration hip action to help create the throw-out action and set up the rhythm. I hope this helps.

[comdpa]

I'm not sure Comdpa exactly what side of the fence your on with this, but I like your basketball analogy. I'm not a basketball stud, but I did work on my shot last year quite a bit as both of my sons were playing on city leagues & made for some great father/son bonding!

I know there is is no way I can hit 3's without using my legs & feet. I watch some of the guys in the NBA do it with just upper body, but these guys are huge compare to my whopping 155#'s (wet !!) A lot of those NBA guys shooting 3's still use the lower body.

So as this relates to golf, is you must use the lower body to hit powerful golf shots. You don't have to do, it...we dont in basic motion, and most dont in acquired motion, but in total motion powerful shots....my computer has finally (after 2 months of incubating on this) told me the lower body has to do several things to allow my arms, hands etc. to move thru the ball correctly.
I have to agree with Mathew...about the lag pressure & the primary lever...

I personally take the clug away with the hands, back with the hands, up with the hands...all the way to the top and then SLIDE the hips....as I drag load...then I rotate the hips as I swing the left arms firing #4, #2, & #3 accumulators down the base of the plane line. So, in my mind, I see this as hands controlled pivot, even though my hands didn't move my pivot on the downswing, as it did on the backswing. However, if I don't slide and rotate, I can't clear the right hip, I will round house, or run out of right arm which makes me hit it fat or flip the club face....and LEFT of my target!

I'm still new to TGM so if I've butchered this stuff guys (Mathew, Compda, Yoda & gang) let me know...but my ball striking has improved so much, I feel like I'm a professional witha 15 handicap!

Trane...

You misunderstood my analogy...lets try again.

If you were to do a jumpshot, do you focus on where your hands are aiming or what the body is doing?

If aiming with the hands: Its as simple as tossing a can into the trash bin. The eyes feedback to brain and hands toss - whatever other muscles need to be used to accomplish this task gets used.

If focusing on the body: You have to identify what bodyparts are going to be utilised in the jumpshot.

The quadriceps, calves, shoulders, triceps - figure out the force you need to generate with these muscles for the distance you desire to throw the ball - whatever the hands are doing, well, let them do what all that body motion makes them do.

This analogy has nothing to do with power - that is another topic - if you want to delve into it, just give a shout.

[Trane]

Well to me, when I shoot a jump shot, I think of keeping my righht forearm vertical, my right hand fully spread out, bend down into the ground and fire....fire for me is jump from my chest to my legs, then my toes and then my arms, hands, and then fingers for a nice smooth roll and follow-thru.

My aiming point is either the front or back of the rim or the glass.

The more I think about it, the jump shot starts with the ball arm power package assemble going downward, then it loads the lag and fires the hand into their spot where they can release.

Thats hands controlled pivot, right? Thats what we do in golf in this same method...let the hands take the body where it needs to be. Your right about the power thing, I was trying to relate it to me. I can develope centrifugal force as my hips lead going down, but when it doesn't lead, even though I'm swinging, my right arms wants to hit!

[Trane]

I also wanted to say, when my right arm hits in my swing method...I lose power....LAW of the flail, but when I can must up centrifugal force and keep each component lagging where I can apply pressure to each component, then my shot have much more sizzle!!!! And it feels so nice!!!

[comdpa]

Well to me, when I shoot a jump shot, I think of keeping my righht forearm vertical, my right hand fully spread out, bend down into the ground and fire....fire for me is jump from my chest to my legs, then my toes and then my arms, hands, and then fingers for a nice smooth roll and follow-thru.

My aiming point is either the front or back of the rim or the glass.

The more I think about it, the jump shot starts with the ball arm power package assemble going downward, then it loads the lag and fires the hand into their spot where they can release.

Thats hands controlled pivot, right? Thats what we do in golf in this same method...let the hands take the body where it needs to be. Your right about the power thing, I was trying to relate it to me. I can develope centrifugal force as my hips lead going down, but when it doesn't lead, even though I'm swinging, my right arms wants to hit!

Thats right Trane,

We are talking about Procedural Ease to sink the shot and not power sources in this topic.

As to diagnose whether you are hitting or swinging - without the aid of a video clip - can you answer the following questions? This is the triage!

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Are you flexible, meaning can you get your hands on plane to above your right shoulder at the Top?

Do you think you are fast like say a speedboat or powerful like a tugboat?

Would you describe your stroke as more 'around' as opposed to more 'up and down'?

As you are reaching impact, do you feel as if you are cracking a whip or driving a spike into the ground?

Do you just let 'it' happen and hold on or are you consciously driving 'something' into the ground?

In the backstroke, do you feel like you are carrying a rock back or whirling a bucket of water back?

[6bmike]

As long as the hands control by designing the pivot, it is a hands are in charge. The pivot works for the hands to do ONE thing- deliever the hands so the clubhead Impacts the ball.

It is a pivot control hands if the pivot is merely jerking the hands without a specific swing path- no esstentials.

Hands are clamps with pressure points that monitor what the clubhead and clubface are doing or rather" IS" doing.