swing left, and look like this

[tradekid]

Mark Evershed uses a laser at the end of a club and he demonstrates tracing a straight plane line after impact with a bent right wrist. He explains the hands have to move left to keep the point of the laser on plane. He calls it swinging the hands left. Is this what we're talking about here?

[Delaware Golf]

Mark Evershed uses a laser at the end of a club and he demonstrates tracing a straight plane line after impact with a bent right wrist. He explains the hands have to move left to keep the point of the laser on plane. He calls it swinging the hands left. Is this what we're talking about here?

Based on Ted's comments, it appears the swing left is not coming from Evershed. The swing left concept that Mark teachs is acutally 1-L-15, a post impact condition.

DG

[tradekid]

Based on Ted's comments, it appears the swing left is not coming from Evershed. The swing left concept that Mark teachs is acutally 1-L-15, a post impact condition.

DG

I don't know. YodasLuke needs to explain himself better. Is he talking about Hardy? Manzella? Evershed? What does he think swinging left is?

Go ahead YodasLuke...

...thrill us with your acumen!

[Delaware Golf]

Mainly, I think that it's a total misunderstanding of the geometry. People see the clubhead blur in a circle, so they attempt to draw circles instead of straight lines. Also, the circle seems to match a rotary motion. I asked him about his concepts. He spoke mostly about body power, turning hard to the left, etc. I think most of his information came from reading magazine articles and hearsay.

I've seen a mat that wanted you to trace a circle with a laser ("F" in geometry). Needless to say, Homer had it right about tracing the straight baseline. 2-J-3 shows us the visual equivalents. Simply placing balls on the ground to cover with the clubhead does not consider the geometric basis of the inclined plane. How would one decide the degree of curvature? There are no degrees of straight lines. Either you're tracing a straight line, or you're not. It's that simple.

You can't drop your hands straight down from the top, then rotate like a compass. The club goes down, out, and forward simultaneously and on-plane. They are not sequenced motions as some teach.

Ted,

Why doesn't 1-L-13 mention the word "Forward"???

And why does Homer mention the golf swing in this way in 12-5-0...."Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and continously as possible." No mention of forward there either???

DG

[Amen Corner]

Ted,

Why doesn't 1-L-13 mention the word "Forward"???

And why does Homer mention the golf swing in this way in 12-5-0...."Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and continously as possible." No mention of forward there either???

DG

I hope Ted comes with his thoughts on this matter.

My thoughts would be that people do not have enough down and out.

In their attempts to hit it far they add more forward to the already existing, and thereby "forgets" about the down. In most cases, they do not know that an out exists.

Hereby Mr. Kelleys stresses the importance of, perhaps, the 2 most important elements of the 3D downstroke.

But then again, it is only my interpretation.....I could be wrong

[birdie_man]

His clubface obviously has not been fixed yet.

If someone told him to "swing left" before fixing anything else....well.......

[EDIT]

...well.......then that's just plain bad advice. (for THIS guy)

And I really can't see it coming directly, and as a direct recommendation for this specific player, from anyone with any kind of experience or even anyone with any common sense. You just don't tell a slicer that he needs to swing left. That is what he's doing too much of already, and this advice does not come anywhere NEAR to addressing HIS first wobbly point. (i.e. the root cause of his problems)

The man has no problem swinging left I'll tell you that.........his clubface is WIDE OPEN. (ROOT CAUSE) And he also almost certainly has a reverse pivot too.

[Toolish]

That is the major problem with learning from the forums, or golf mags, or videos...it might be a great idea, but not for YOU at this time. Nicely pointed out birdie.

[golfbulldog]

I've seen a mat that wanted you to trace a circle with a laser ("F" in geometry). Needless to say, Homer had it right about tracing the straight baseline. 2-J-3 shows us the visual equivalents. Simply placing balls on the ground to cover with the clubhead does not consider the geometric basis of the inclined plane. How would one decide the degree of curvature? There are no degrees of straight lines. Either you're tracing a straight line, or you're not. It's that simple.

How do you monitor tracing a straight line during your swing??

Isn't that why people use visual equivalents.... isn't that what VJ does with his "Putting arc"... the arc is same as placing balls on the ground / arc on a mat surely...?

The best i have got is using a half plane board and keeping left flat /right bent wrists from release to follow through... no reason why you can't use a transparent board and paper underneath and mark on it where your specifc visual equivalents are with a particular club... use the illusions to allow you to perform geometry....

Tracing lines with lasers i find less worthwhile than planeboads... the plane angle can vary so much with lasers... at least in my hands.... whole of he clubshaft lies on flat plane.... keeps same angle better at least during release to follow through...

[YodasLuke]

How do you monitor tracing a straight line during your swing??

Chapter 5 is a good place to find the answer. Homer gives us plenty on this subject. HANDS, HANDS, HANDS...

On page 64 in the 7th edition, he gives the alternative (pivot controlled hands). With this procedure, he is less than encouraging.

I love the sentence at the bottom:
"However, if the Clubhead is Monitored directly instead of through the Hands, it is, as always, a chronic disaster."

I guess that sums it up. Thanks Homer.