swing left, and look like this

[Yoda]

During the Golf Stroke, the Clubhead orbits in an approximate circle. Assuming a Flat Left Wrist, the Down Plane orbit reaches its lowest point opposite the Left Shoulder.

Prior to reaching that Low Point, the Clubhead moves Down and Out (to the right). After the Low Point, the Clubhead moves Up and In (to the left). It is, after all, moving in a circle on an Inclined Plane.

Try it for yourself on a Horizontal Plane and see how really simple this 'pointing at a baseline' stuff really is. Through Impact, the Orbiting Clubhead only points at the Straight Line Baseline of its horizontal Plane of Motion. It therefore approaches Low Point from neither above nor below the Low Point Plane Line.

Through Impact, the Golfer best effects that On Plane Motion by Tracing the Baseline with the Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point, not by "swinging left" with an Off Plane Right Shoulder and 'high' Right Forearm.

Even Hardy was asked why TOUR players 'X' and 'Y' made such obvious Off Plane motions during their Practice Strokes. Said he (paraphrased) in his newest book:

"They are exaggerating."

[tradekid]

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result. I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT. Plus, this will only be true if the player has a correst PIVOT. That's probably more important than the moving the hands left. I would venture to guess that 75% of golfers swings blow because of an incorrect pivot. But that's another topic.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

[birdie_man]

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result.

If your hands are moving on-plane they are moving down and out until AFTER low-point where they move up and in. (towards the target as you say) AFTER low-point. Just like the clubhead. This is desirable. Trace a straight Plane Line.

I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

I'm not sure I know what you mean man. Maybe you could explain more??

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

Good stuff......and I agree. Prolly some semantic differences as well.

[neil]

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result. I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT. Plus, this will only be true if the player has a correst PIVOT. That's probably more important than the moving the hands left. I would venture to guess that 75% of golfers swings blow because of an incorrect pivot. But that's another topic.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

Homer wrote THE BOOK on the golf swing .It took him 28 years and 241 pages.(6th edition).In 12-3-0 he CAPITALISED "DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP" He also capitalised ON LINE HINGE ACTION -why ?.He wrote THE book on the golf swing in less than a copy of golf digest!.He MADE EVERY WORD COUNT.

[6bmike]

Swing to the left, hit to right field, rotate in a barrel, slide the hips to the target, wide and low, cock the wrist early & swing down steep, release the club from the top, don’t release the club.

What EVERY instructor outside of The Golfing Machine DOES NOT have is a common language. It is their Tower of Babel. Most instructors have a natural ability with no clear way to explain to students the physics and geometry of the golf stroke. A confederacy of ambiguous feelings. The fog lies heavy for them as instructors think what the say makes sense. Check any instruction show or magazine article.

TGM instructors and their STUDENTS have a common language. Maybe Homer’s greatest gift to Golf.

[EdZ]

........a common language. Maybe Homer’s greatest gift to Golf.

I agree very much.

As an example - the plane is not defined by Homer as the clubSHAFT. A very important part of TGM to understand.

[neil]

Before I knew anything about TGM ,if somebody said swing left I would have been UNDER PLANE .Since the old waverly school when BOTH LYNN AND V.J. said "golf is played "out there" NOT" BACK HERE". I UNDERSTAND !
the CAPITALISED bits are important

[roll - gybe]

I'm in the learning phase, so maybe I can be a sample of the student population.

A teacher who has all the information told me to "turn around my *spine*" and to "swing left." I literally attempted to swing by turning laterally around each section of my spine (instead of a swing center). Then I would try to swing left. The results: I lost 25 yards and gained 8 strokes. I made many visits back to better understand the information, but the information never got specific.

In fact, I had to go to the internet to figure out his advice. A google search got me to the yellow book.

I think some teachers fail to realize that vague information can be interpreted lots of ways, and the student leaves guessing which is correct and in search of the confidence he lost.

I don't know why some teachers behave thisway, whether it is out of apathy or out of a lack of respect for the student's intellect, but being vague is a real detriment to a student.

Fortunately for me, I have found one of the best out there to guide me along...