swing left, and look like this

[golfbulldog]

Hip / shoulder position at and beyond impact is influenced by what force you are using to trace a staright line before, during and after impact... no??

If you have a bit of active pp1 then you can ( and should )trace your line with less pivot action... if you achieve staright line tracing with passive right forearm then you need lots of pivot...

At least that is the way i see it...


NOW ... if you do not pivot enough to trace a straight line AND you do not have enough active pp1 then you swing right and bend plane line... maybe...

This sounds more confident thani feel i have knowledge for at moment ... so wait for others....

[birdie_man]

Not as obvious as some....but to my eye, hips and shoulders look open at Impact.

[YodasLuke]

Not as obvious as some....but to my eye, hips and shoulders look open at Impact.

2nd to last photo doesn't look like he's tracing a circle of balls placed on the ground. But, the pivot does what it must in order for him to trace a straight line. This assumes that his hands are 'command central', instead of the pivot.

[mrodock]

Not as obvious as some....but to my eye, hips and shoulders look open at Impact.

Thanks very much for the pictures birdie_man. Perhaps Perry would have sustained the lag longer if his pivot were more active. His hips seem to be open about 10 degrees at impact, this is in stark contrast with almost all guys on tour that hit the ball 290 yards or further.

[12 piece bucket]

Not as obvious as some....but to my eye, hips and shoulders look open at Impact.

nice pics stanky. check the finish on that dude . . . it that ain't a cross line move I ain't never ate a pokechop samich on Bunny Bread.

[birdie_man]

Stanky......

Ya I earned that rep' in high school too........I was more proud of the volume tho. lol.......lol......lol............................ ......

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U know what.....looking at it again.....I'm not even sure anymore........

I have to assume he's open some....but if he is open it is a very small amount.

At the time I was thinking the camera was adjusted to the left.....his stance may be closed tho. Maybe a sloppy analysis on my part.

It's all interesting though.

[tradekid]

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result. I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT. Plus, this will only be true if the player has a correst PIVOT. That's probably more important than the moving the hands left. I would venture to guess that 75% of golfers swings blow because of an incorrect pivot. But that's another topic.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

[bambam]

. . . if that ain't a cross line move I ain't never ate a pokechop samich on Bunny Bread.

which would mean his hips are open in relation to that new plane line, right?

[12 piece bucket]

which would mean his hips are open in relation to that new plane line, right?

The 10-5-E plane line out to right field . . . yes siree.

[birdie_man]

This is where we have to make a distinction. I see so many people, post impact, will continue to take their HANDS down the base of the inclined plane. Or better put, from the players perspective, they continue to trace or thrust their hands towards the target. Only problems can be the result.

If your hands are moving on-plane they are moving down and out until AFTER low-point where they move up and in. (towards the target as you say) AFTER low-point. Just like the clubhead. This is desirable. Trace a straight Plane Line.

I think what we're really talking about here is DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. You know I only have the 6th and 7th edition but Homer didn't spend but one or two sentences on DELIVERY LINE-PREP-ROLL. And that's a shame because I think it is a very over looked part of the swing. I can only dream that if Homer had lived longer he may have spent more time exploring DELIVERY LINE-PREP- ROLL. But this is a very important key to tracing the straight plane line with a FLAT LEFT WRIST (bent right wrist).

I'm not sure I know what you mean man. Maybe you could explain more??

Put a laser on the end of a clubshaft. Draw a target line, (base of the incline plane line) and then, with a bent right wrist and flat left, from the TOP or END trace the line with the laser into impact on the downswing. After impact(FOLLOW THROUGH both arms straight) if you have maintained a bent right wrist the HANDS will move left and the clubshaft will continue to point at the base of the inclined plane. IF YOU WANT THE CLUBSHAFT TO POINT AT THE BASE OF THE INCLINED PLANE WITH A FLAT LEFT WRIST THE HANDS HAVE TO MOVE LEFT.

I think we're letting semantics get in our way of what "swinging left" is.

Good stuff......and I agree. Prolly some semantic differences as well.