There are a couple short holes on this course, also. #2 is 340 yards and #17 is 313 yards - very short by today's standards. I expect we'll see several players try to drive those greens.
There are a couple short holes on this course, also. #2 is 340 yards and #17 is 313 yards - very short by today's standards. I expect we'll see several players try to drive those greens.
I TAKE IT ALL BACK- that hole looks easy!
Seriously,I bet it is played from the blue tees if there is any doubt the short guys can't make it.
Maybe the logic is that the short par 4's will "balance "the scores.
Thanks for the pics Ben
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There are a couple short holes on this course, also. #2 is 340 yards and #17 is 313 yards - very short by today's standards. I expect we'll see several players try to drive those greens.
Thanks for the link, bam. I have to say that I really like the design. I guess any pro will be able to carry the bunker, but the additional req that the shot have to be on target to avoid the same bunker left or any bunker right is a great feature.
As the green is said to be not very undulated: If the pin or wind is not too severe I expect to see a few birdies, 25% bogeys, a majority of pars, but not many double bogeys or "other".
I need a link to a bookie who has the odds.
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When James Durham recorded 94 at the Old Course at St Andrews in 1767, he set a course record that lasted 86 years. Golf: A curious sport whose object is to put a very small ball in a very small hole with implements ill desiged for the purpose - Sir Winston Churchill
what percentage of the field ( about 140 players??) will hit the green in regulation? Most pros are in the 60-70% range for GIR... they are hitting maybe 5-sw on average maybe?
So GIR for this 288 yard hole is going to be about 50% if played near full length... so if half the field hit the green and 2 putt then about half ( 65) will get par....maybe 5 birdies per round from those who hit the green...
the half that miss the green ... about 50%( 35 players ) will end in sand...50 % ( 35 players ) in rough /fringe...
if the green is relatively flat...the "sand saves" and "scrambling" stats might be a bit better eg. 55% and 60-65% respectively...being generous!!
so those 35 in sand .... maybe 20 get up and down for par...15 make bogey +...
and those 35 in rough/fringe maybe 23 make par and 12 make bogey +.....
so of 140 players...
100-110 pars
5 birdies
20-30 bogeys
double or worse 5-10
score average = about 3.3...
hmm... i reckon nearer 3.4 +...
as you have guessed i am not a bookie or statistitian.... probably bent stats law to my own way of thinking.... but this is my prediction!!
In reading this thread I need to comment on the purpose of my original post. It was not to disparage the US Open or USGA set up, it was more a commentary on how far technology has taken the game. Some will argue we've gone too far.
At my club we have three par 3's that play over 200 yds. Our 16th hole plays 238yds to the center of the green and 245yds to the back. When we get a north Texas wind blowin' it plays 265yds. For us rank-amateurs that is one tough ass hole! We have guys hitting driver but our long hitters are still hitting irons. So I kind of get it when the USGA sets up a 288yd par 3. The tour players are not often tested with long irons and fairway woods.
All in all I say, they all play the same course so it really doesn't matter. You play against the course and the conditions and lowest score wins, be it 63 or 75.
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