Am I a messed up swinger???

[deckhead]

I read on this board that swingers are left arm dominant (#2 and #4pp for power), and hitters use their right tricep and #3PP for power. Is this correct? If so, what do I need to use to trace the plane line? I have been using #3pp (right forefinger), but this is for hitting, no??

If true about swingers using left arm, then what do I do (if anything) with my right arm, besides the BRW?

[golfgnome]

I read on this board that swingers are left arm dominant (#2 and #4pp for power), and hitters use their right tricep and #3PP for power. Is this correct? If so, what do I need to use to trace the plane line? I have been using #3pp (right forefinger), but this is for hitting, no??

If true about swingers using left arm, then what do I do (if anything) with my right arm, besides the BRW?

Swingers are not left arm dominant, they are pivot dominant. As a swinger my right arm is never really passive. I feel extensor action all the way through to the finish which provides tremendous structure. My right arm is extremely important in my golf swing, it is just not activating the accumulators. Remember, the left arm is basically inert and has to be moved by the bending of the right arm and/or rotating torso. Your right forearm and #3 pp are used for plane line tracing.

[deckhead]

Thanks,

I am not off as far as I thought then.

[12 piece bucket]

I read on this board that swingers are left arm dominant (#2 and #4pp for power), and hitters use their right tricep and #3PP for power. Is this correct? If so, what do I need to use to trace the plane line? I have been using #3pp (right forefinger), but this is for hitting, no??

If true about swingers using left arm, then what do I do (if anything) with my right arm, besides the BRW?

As a Swinger you must get your mellon soaked up in this here . . .

6-C-2-A THE ESSENCE of Clubhead Lag technique is that it is always both Aiming AND Thrust. Passive – it is primarily Aiming the Lag Pressure. Active – it is the primarily Thrusting the Lag Pressure Point. The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line. But never directly – only via the Right Forearm and the #3 Pressure Point per 2-F, 5-0 and 7-3. It is guided along that Line to the Both Arms Straight configuration by the straight line thrust of the #3 Pressure Point toward the Angle of Approach quadrant of the Ball – or Aiming Point – per 1-F, 1-L-9/10, 2-J-3 and 6-E-2.

I would add the #2 is also extremely important in the "aiming" of lag for the swinger. The initial move is to drag the butt of the club DOWN the PLANE toward the Plane Line. This is how the orbit of the club is initially established. Your body is MASSIVE relative to the arms and the club and it is also responsible for the ORBIT. This orbit is of HUGE importance. The hands direct the orbit but OFFPLANE SHOULDER MOTION CAN DISRUPT IT and thereby disrupt all the motion.

The plane is BOSS. The ORBIT is TWO DIMENSIONAL on the flat surface of that plane. CF wants to align your arms with the motion of the shoulders which are massive in comparison. Your right shoulder must go downplane as directed by dragging the butt of the club DOWN THE PLANE . . . the tilting of the shoulder axis is MISSION CRITICAL to getting the orbit right at Start Down. If you roundhouse, you have just made the orbit 3-dimensional.

See the Glossary on Axis Tilt. The example is a helicopter tilt the axis of rotation of its blades to move up down or turn. Your arms and the club are the "blades" of your chopper . . . shoulders are the rotor or axel or axis or whatever the hell it is . . . you gotta tilt the axis to get the blades to start down plane. Then you continue that motion by directing the lag felt on #3 all the way DOWN OUT AND THROUGH YOUR AIMING POINT.

[deckhead]

AIM POINT 6-E-2.

I took lessons from a man who was NOT a TGM degree holder, but taught out of the book.

I cut the ball all of my life. He had me place a tee where I would normally tee the ball. Then he would put a ball on a tee about 6-8" in front of the tee. He had me aim at the tee in front of me while hitting the ball, all while hitting downoutthrough. The ball flew straight or drew. Is this what 6-E-2 is describing?

[12 piece bucket]

AIM POINT 6-E-2.

I took lessons from a man who was NOT a TGM degree holder, but taught out of the book.

I cut the ball all of my life. He had me place a tee where I would normally tee the ball. Then he would put a ball on a tee about 6-8" in front of the tee. He had me aim at the tee in front of me while hitting the ball, all while hitting downoutthrough. The ball flew straight or drew. Is this what 6-E-2 is describing?

100% correct! Some folks confuse aiming point with low point . . . kind of like a bunker shot where you look at the sand and HAVE THE CLUB STRIKE THE SAND AT THAT POINT. Aiming Point as you have seen demonstrated is about directing THRUST . . . not the Destination of the Clubhead. 6-E-2 is one of the best contributions of Mr. Kelley to golf. With the aiming point procedure you can have the Aiming Point be CONSTANT and move the ball to have the same release feel . . . OR you can keep your ball position constant and move the Aiming Point forward, aft, or at the ball.

Mr. Kelley in the 4th edition had a particularly lucid example of Aiming Point being like the free hand drawing of straight lines on a chalk board. You place your chalk on point A, look at point B and draw the line. By looking at the chalk you'd screw the pooch. So with aiming point from the top . . . you are mentally constructing a straight line of thrust from top down and THROUGH the Aiming Point via your #3 Pressure Point . . . . that pressure point is your chalk, the starting point is Top, the straight line is the extension of the Straight Line Delivery Path of your hands (and lag pressure) and the destination is down and through the aiming point which is on your Delivery Line.

[deckhead]

Great stuff, and much appreciated. So in theory (to me anyway), I should move my aiming point closer, further from me to correct any over the top move that I have?

[12 piece bucket]

Great stuff, and much appreciated. So in theory (to me anyway), I should move my aiming point closer, further from me to correct any over the top move that I have?

That is an interesting question . . . Potentially YES. But this may not "fix" you. The hands are certianly the comand post of the swing and dictate to the pivot . . . BUT only to a certain extent. Faulty shoulder motion can SCREW UP the most educated set of hands. But give it a shot.

Make your delivery line the Angle of Approach . . . simply a line "out to right field" and place your aiming point on that line and see what results. Could work . . .

But you may have to actually focus on your pivot to correct it and then go back to the hands. Do some searches on roundhousing and axis tilt.

[deckhead]

Yeah, I believe that "Flat shoulder trun" may very well be my problem.

1 more thing for today. Why on earth would my practice swing be an in-to-out plane line, but when you put a ball out there, I get the over the top bent plane???

[EdZ]

Yeah, I believe that "Flat shoulder trun" may very well be my problem.

1 more thing for today. Why on earth would my practice swing be an in-to-out plane line, but when you put a ball out there, I get the over the top bent plane???

This may happen if your first move back from the ball is over plane due to an 'over turn' or over swivel. Even though the hands/shaft appear to be coming inside, the fact that the over turn/swivel has occured means you need to compensate with an 'over the top' roundhouse move, or you may hit a big push or even a hosel rocket.

Try using a waggle similar to Stuart Appleby to get the feel for hands staying 'inside' the clubhead until hip high. Split grip drills can help too. This is part of what folks are trying to get across with the image of the club staying 'out in front' of you.

To add to bucket's previous posts on this.....

keep in mind that the hands (pressure points) should retain their relationship to the plane line, not to the body.