A well trained pivot allows the hands to do what is important. Go to the ball.
You say the Hands know the line to trace- then the Body responds. When does it respond- after the Hands move on their own or after the pivot starts or when?
I'm a piece of sheet. Swing the clubhead dude.
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
I believe the pivot needs to be trained first before you learn a hand-controlled swing. Tracing the plane line with the hands will not automatically cause the hips to slide. You can trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot.
Tomasello covers the pivot in his first Australian video.
I believe the pivot needs to be trained first before you learn a hand-controlled swing. Tracing the plane line with the hands will not automatically cause the hips to slide. You can trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot.
Tomasello covers the pivot in his first Australian video.
Fog on this one.
Per 5-0 ..."but especially during Start down maintain clubhead lag relationship to plane line (by tracing with hands) - not to the body. That (referring to previous description) - failure to clear the Right Hip (Roundhouse) can initiate almost every alignment disruption" He's saying trace the plane line so as to ensure a clearing to the right hip. If you trace a plane line with the arms moving from the shoulders only and no pivot, you are not going to the top, the right hip is never getting in the way. No need for hip to clear. Like basic motion. If you trace a plane line on a full swing, you have to clear the hips or you can't trace the plane line (back up and in, down, out, forward - shoulders can't do this and not have the hips move).
Really, really. I'm not trying to argue. This has been a very, very good discussion. Obviously, I know you know a lot of TGM. I've done my fair share of study and memorizing this site. I don't think my tone (or didn't intend) to warrent "dude" and guilt trips "I'm a piece of sheet".
It is definitely not "Tomasello only" for me. I'm very on board with what the professionals on this site say.
I'm not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm terminology. What I can say with certainty is that from the top, the hands know the line they must trace - through training - obviously the hands screw up at times, or the pivot is faulty (due to pivot control) and screw up the hands. At the least, the hands' intent or knowing the line they must trace causes the hip slide. I'd say focus your mind on hand plane line tracing and let the hips respond.
Why wouldn't you train the pivot? Train it, get it ready to respond to the hands ( maybe the term is "oil it up").
If you're not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm from the top.....do you really understand longitudinal acceleration.
What is the dictionary definition of longitudinal that best describes its application to the golf swing?
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 06-03-2007 at 10:59 AM.
If you're not sold on the uncocking of the right forearm from the top.....do you really understand longitudinal acceleration.
What is the dictionary definition of longitudinal that best describes its application to the golf swing?
DG
DG: Your call to action has not gone unnoticed. I'll get around to it, but right now, my TGM brain is worn out trying to give my opinion that there is not some wide chasm between the thoughts of Tomasello, Blake, and Evershed on the hand controlled pivot.
DG: Your call to action has not gone unnoticed. I'll get around to it, but right now, my TGM brain is worn out trying to give my opinion that there is not some wide chasm between the thoughts of Tomasello, Blake, and Evershed on the hand controlled pivot.
It is not about Tomasello, Blake, or Evershed. It is about Homer Kelley and The Golfing Machine. Of the three, Lynn Blake and The Golfing Machine is not only as close to Homer Kelley but is Homer Kelley's The Golfing Machine.
It is not about Tomasello, Blake, or Evershed. It is about Homer Kelley and The Golfing Machine. Of the three, Lynn Blake and The Golfing Machine is not only as close to Homer Kelley but is Homer Kelley's The Golfing Machine.
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I'm sorry, but my post specifically mentioned my opinion on others' thoughts related to the idea of the hand controlled pivot. In my opinion, your declaration in not needed (at least don't include my post in your declaration).
How do you know that I, too , don't believe Lynn's teachings are The Golfing Machine? (including my post in your declaration sure makes a suggestion). All I can say, kindly, is at least be open to the fact that you, yourself, might need to check your understanding of some items in The Golfing Machine. (like 1st paragraph chapter 4 - all over importance of clubhead feel.) In other words, your understanding, as of now, might be a little different (even a little less correct) than that of the professionals on this site. If you don't want to read the above, please don't put my posts in your declarations. Thanks.
This is my favorite video of the series. His flail demonstration is pretty brilliant, both in terms of illustrating the pivot's role in the flail, and the 'left wrist to raw hide' analogy.
Thanks, again to Lynn and crew for generously hosting The Tomasello Tapes.
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