The endless belt, help

[O.B.Left]

Help me out here guys and girls.

What part of the golf swing does this symbolize? Am I right in thinking the club is the club? The pulley represents the hands? The bigger the pulley the faster the club head's speed? The rpm's of the pulley and the club stay constant which represents a constant hand speed with no need for hand acceleration into impact? Or, is that excessive acceleration?,
Surely there is some hand acceleration? No? Or is this where the anology falters (no offence, as every anology is somewhat comprimised).

The belt is the pivot for swingers?

The portion of the endless belt diagram where the club accelerates represents release? Is this the same period as when the club is parallel to the ground prior to impact and parallel to the ground after impact? If so then, does that not mean that the later the release or the closer to the ball the hands are when the club is parallel to the ground prior to impact, the bigger the pulley and the faster the club head's speed will be? But what about the amount of left wrist cock not being a power accumulator? Does that mean that the amount of left hand wrist hand cock is not a factor in the power equation?


I feel there is something to the endless belt diagram that I am missing. Something that will allow the smooth swinger to crush the ball. Perhaps only when accompanied by lag?

Thanks
O.B.

[Yoda]

Help me out here guys and girls.

What part of the golf swing does this symbolize? Am I right in thinking the club is the club? The pulley represents the hands? The bigger the pulley the faster the club head's speed? The rpm's of the pulley and the club stay constant which represents a constant hand speed with no need for hand acceleration into impact? Or, is that excessive acceleration?,
Surely there is some hand acceleration? No? Or is this where the anology falters (no offence, as every anology is somewhat comprimised).

The belt is the pivot for swingers?

The portion of the endless belt diagram where the club accelerates represents release? Is this the same period as when the club is parallel to the ground prior to impact and parallel to the ground after impact? If so then, does that not mean that the later the release or the closer to the ball the hands are when the club is parallel to the ground prior to impact, the bigger the pulley and the faster the club head's speed will be? But what about the amount of left wrist cock not being a power accumulator? Does that mean that the amount of left hand wrist hand cock is not a factor in the power equation?


I feel there is something to the endless belt diagram that I am missing. Something that will allow the smooth swinger to crush the ball. Perhaps only when accompanied by lag?

Thanks
O.B.

Here are three diagrams from a presentation I made back in March 2006 to the Swedish PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit. As you can see, the Endless Belt Effect (Sketch 2-K #6) relates to the Delivery Path of the Hands (7-23) and its Aiming Point (6-E-2); the Release (7-24); and its Triggering (7-20). Compare the diagrams to Zone Three Photos 9-3-6 (Top) through 9-3-10 (Impact). The diagrams and related study should help answer your questions.







Also, the site is rich with information on the Endless Belt, the Releases and Trigger Delay procedures. For example, see my post #67 in this search: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...a+endless+belt . And #14 here:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...s+belt+diagram

Use the 'Search' function and enjoy!

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Lynn

Some great links there. Some portions of which I could actually understand. I now see some errors in my earlier note. The belt represents the hands, the rpms and hand speed are assumed to be constant, the smaller the pulley the greater the clubhead speed, etc. More to come. I will continue my studies.

I am struck once again by how the golf swing is not what it first appears to be. We see the club accelerate into impact and assume it is accomplished solely with accelerating hands. Sort of like "swing up to hit up".

Am I right in thinking that the hands do accelerate but the pulley size is the more important factor in clubhead speed? Perhaps a "steady as she goes" nursing of lag pressure accompanied by a small pulley?

[Yoda]

Am I right in thinking that the hands do accelerate but the pulley size is the more important factor in clubhead speed?

The Hands do accelerate in the Start Down and Downstroke. However, due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum, they actually slow down in Release as the Club accelerates (6-C-2-B). Now, only sustained Clubhead Lag Pressure will prevent a substantial loss of Clubhead speed. Use Power Package Thrust (Muscular / Hitting) or Throw-Out Action (Centrifugal / Swinging).

[lagster]

The Hands do accelerate in the Start Down and Downstroke. However, due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum, they actually slow down in Release as the Club accelerates.

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Some Golf Bio-Mechanics call this the KINETIC CHAIN... various segments accelerate, then de-celerate.

[O.B.Left]

You guys are making me work. Physics is not my go to shot.

So as the radius increases the hands slow down accordingly. The Law of conservation of angular momentum. The person spinning around in their office chair slows his rpms by sticking out his legs but the surface speed of his feet increases.

In kinetic chain theory, do the segments decellerate after passing their momentum on sequencially or is the decelleration a prerequisit of the passing on of momentum? I go back and forth on whether or not to sort of slow my hips just prior to release. It seems a little more grounded and solid and my balance seems better. I used to think in terms of keeping the hips spinning long and hard. What would science have me do, Doctors?

[Zin14]

OB, another perspective on why the hands slow is that, during the release, when the left wrist is going from cocked to uncocked, there is great centrifugal force acting on the hands. The direction of this force is inline with the clubshaft and directed towards the clubhead. When the left arm is like this | , and the shaft is like this / , there is a component of this centrifugal force pointed at the ground, and another pointed away from your target. It's this latter component of centrifugal force that slows your hands as they pass from the right hip across your body toward the left hip.

During this brief interval of release, if, as Yoda suggests, you continue to apply lag pressure, you will continue to do work on the primary lever assembly, thereby increasing its angular momentum. The hands will still slow down, but the work done against this slowing force will result in greater clubhead speed at impact.

[spike]

Here are three diagrams from a presentation I made back in March 2006 to the Swedish PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit. As you can see, the Endless Belt Effect (Sketch 2-K #6) relates to the Delivery Path of the Hands (7-23) and its Aiming Point (6-E-2); the Release (7-24); and its Triggering (7-20). Compare the diagrams to Zone Three Photos 9-3-6 (Top) through 9-3-10 (Impact). The diagrams and related study should help answer your questions.







Also, the site is rich with information on the Endless Belt, the Releases and Trigger Delay procedures. For example, see my post #67 in this search: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...endles s+belt . And #14 here:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...bel t+diagram

Use the 'Search' function and enjoy!

The red line in the example above is pointing at the ball just as in 9-3-6. What would happen if the red line were point at low point?

[O.B.Left]

Knowledge is power in life and in golf I suppose. But my journey at this point in my golfing life is a quest for answers to very practical questions about my own game or swing. I try to cut to the final answer maybe a little too quickly. Without enough regard to the complexity of the subject or various points of view. Perhaps I am not so inclined or perhaps I am more car driver than car mechanic?

Lynn is my mechanic of choice. When I left him last March he advised that I work on the "Endless Belt". It was a cryptic sort of suggestion to me that I wasnt sure I understood. Perhaps it is not fully understandable for me at my level of TGM knowledge but I will keep up the quest. Interestingly, after I reviewed the links and opinions above I compared videos of my swing from before and after my work with Lynn to find my pulley noticeably smaller. I had not consciously delayed my release in any manner. Probably a result of a superior LAFW.

I guess I sort of threadjacked my own endless belt thread into Kinetic chain theory. My apologies, Im a little green to forums of any kind. Like I said, I have very specific questions about my action that I would like answers to. Should I intentionally slow my hip turn prior to release, for instance. I tend to rotate hard and perhaps too long by any standards. I see very contradictory opinions on the subject as I search the web. Id welcome any opinions or links or overviews on the matter. Perhaps it should be in another thread.

OB

[ndwolfe81]

Here are three diagrams from a presentation I made back in March 2006 to the Swedish PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit. As you can see, the Endless Belt Effect (Sketch 2-K #6) relates to the Delivery Path of the Hands (7-23) and its Aiming Point (6-E-2); the Release (7-24); and its Triggering (7-20). Compare the diagrams to Zone Three Photos 9-3-6 (Top) through 9-3-10 (Impact). The diagrams and related study should help answer your questions.







Also, the site is rich with information on the Endless Belt, the Releases and Trigger Delay procedures. For example, see my post #67 in this search: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...endles s+belt . And #14 here:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...bel t+diagram

Use the 'Search' function and enjoy!

Could the belt be in any other spot? For some reason I had be imagining the bottom part of the belt be passed the ball and have had very little succuess with it.(no radial portion)

I saw this image and felt my belt take place earlier and hit a lot of really nice shots.

For some reason I was missing the radial image prior to this drawing.

Thanks for posting.