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Old 02-04-2008, 07:15 PM
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Mr. Golfnome,

Do I understand that your right wrist remains bent from start to finish, or are you referencing the resetting of the wedges at finish?
Like I said, I start closer to fix than most, but not all the way. Once my right wrist sets I do try to maintain to finish. I think it is quite simple to do, just go to fix, then to both arms straight, maintain extensor action and pivot and watch the left arm fold as the right wrist remains bent.

Extensor action and body rotation create the finish swivel and allow PP#1,2, and 3 to remainglued to the shaft.
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:45 PM
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That is what I thought you said. There seems to be some debate about keeping the right wrist bent from follow through to finish. Some people maintain that there is too much force; the right wrist will flatten (like many pga tour players do) That is my favorite alignment...I want to keep it all the way for alignment continuity sake.

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Thanks for putting your motion out there for all to see. Proof that you can be smooth like "liquid magma" and still devastate low point! Watched them vids many...many times!
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:53 AM
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Nicely Put
Extensor action and body rotation create the finish swivel and allow PP#1,2, and 3 to remain glued to the shaft.

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Old 02-06-2008, 12:56 AM
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The right wrist WILL NOT flatten! I am sure it does a few degrees, but that is perhaps why HK did not talk in degreed terms! As far as the ball is concerned it was bent and level...see ya!
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:51 PM
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The right wrist WILL NOT flatten! I am sure it does a few degrees, but that is perhaps why HK did not talk in degreed terms! As far as the ball is concerned it was bent and level...see ya!
If you ignore some other factors and concentrate solely on maintaining a bent right wrist (or flat left wrist, for that matter), you probably will tend toward STEERING.

Remember, LAG is the secret of GOLF. You want lag to be sustained so that it does not allow the right wrist to flatten or the left wrist to bend. LAG has no release point. Concentrate on lag pressure through the pivot train, from the feet up, and find a way to make your hinge action of an angular motion operating on an inclined plane so that rhythm, balance and stationary head are not disrupted. Keep your wrists completely relaxed and make a TOTAL MOTION that maintains lag and does not unload too soon. If your wrists become tight to try to maintain the BRW or FLW, you are steering.

I know because I have done it (STEERING) for many years. I read where Homer said that if you could learn to play with a FLW, you would break 80 tomorrow, so I started holding my wrist rigid through impact and it killed my swing. What Homer did not say, but is understood, is that you must learn to play with a FLW while sustaining LAG.
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Old 02-06-2008, 03:53 PM
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If you ignore some other factors and concentrate solely on maintaining a bent right wrist (or flat left wrist, for that matter), you probably will tend toward STEERING.

Remember, LAG is the secret of GOLF. You want lag to be sustained so that it does not allow the right wrist to flatten or the left wrist to bend. LAG has no release point. Concentrate on lag pressure through the pivot train, from the feet up, and find a way to make your hinge action of an angular motion operating on an inclined plane so that rhythm, balance and stationary head are not disrupted. Keep your wrists completely relaxed and make a TOTAL MOTION that maintains lag and does not unload too soon. If your wrists become tight to try to maintain the BRW or FLW, you are steering.

I know because I have done it (STEERING) for many years. I read where Homer said that if you could learn to play with a FLW, you would break 80 tomorrow, so I started holding my wrist rigid through impact and it killed my swing. What Homer did not say, but is understood, is that you must learn to play with a FLW while sustaining LAG.

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Old 02-06-2008, 04:07 PM
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Maintain the bent right wrist by maintaining lag pressure which is not done through effort but by accelerating the club in a manner that is not beyond your pivot capacities. That is, do not try to swing the club faster than you can turn.

Having said that, I still cannot figure out how Kenny Perry can hit the ball as hard as he does and not pivot that hard or fast on the downswing. Seemingly though his rhythm is slightly compromised, from photos I have seen, but not to a degree that prevents him from being a premiere ballstriker on tour.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 02-06-2008, 04:10 PM
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Warning noted!

I figure as long as that right arm is straightening I ought to be OK, right?

New Goal Revision

I hereby do solemnly swear to hereto-henceforth-forthwith keep my right wrist bent and level while straightening my right elbow through the utilization of either centrifugal force or the use of muscular thrust etc. etc.
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Old 02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
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Overcoming Steering . . . By Fair Means or Foul
Originally Posted by elliskit View Post
I know because I have done it (STEERING) for many years. I read where Homer said that if you could learn to play with a FLW, you would break 80 tomorrow, so I started holding my wrist rigid through impact and it killed my swing. What Homer did not say, but is understood, is that you must learn to play with a FLW while sustaining LAG.
The Flat Left Wrist is the desired mid-condition of the Wrist's Horizontal Motion ( Flat, Bent and Arched). Steering is, primarily, holding the Left Wrist in the Turned condition of its Rotational Motion (Vertical, Turned and Rolled) thereby inhibiting its proper Roll (to the Left) 'through the Ball'.

When you attempted to impose the Flat Condition in your Horizontal Motion -- remember, Homer also always said, "Willpower isn't enough" -- you unconsiously inhibited the correct Rotational Motion (which, almost certainly, was the true problem to begin with).

You are now using a personal Zone #2 (Club Control) 'Feel' key -- Clubhead Lag Pressure via a "completely relaxed" Wrists -- and that is allowing the correct Rotational Motion to occur. Be sure you understand the correct Mechanics (Wrist Action / 7-18 and Hinge Action / 7-10 and their Variations in Chapter 10) and how your current Feel enables you to produce them. This knowledge will enable you to maintain a Firm Grip (1-L #3), yet still achieve flexible Wrist Action (4-0).

Congratulations, elliskit!

You have met the Golfer's Public Enemy #1 -- the first Snare . . . Steering -- and emerged victorious!

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Old 02-06-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
The Flat Left Wrist is the desired mid-condition of the Wrist's Horizontal Motion ( Flat, Bent and Arched). Steering is, primarily, holding the Left Wrist in the Turned condition of its Rotational Motion (Vertical, Turned and Rolled) thereby inhibiting its proper Roll (to the Left) 'through the Ball'.

When you attempted to impose the Flat Condition in your Horizontal Motion -- remember, Homer also always said, "Willpower isn't enough" -- you unconsiously inhibited the correct Rotational Motion (which, almost certainly, was the true problem to begin with).

Lynn, do you see this a lot with students, in the attempt to keep the FLW they don't roll it through impact? I have been through that stage myself and I am coming out the other side now, but I have seen it in a lot of other golfers. Tell them to hit down on the ball with a flat left wrist and the first couple of shots are shanks or 45° open clubfaces. It seems the idea of a flat left wrist freezes people up and they don't allow it to roll over. How do you get passed that with your students?
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