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Old 03-02-2008, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbulldog View Post


What do people think of the movement of the right shoulder - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.
At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)
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Old 03-02-2008, 01:33 PM
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At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball . . . the question is in what fashion is it being released . . .

Test drive it . . . look at somebody like Nicklaus or Hoch vs. Sergio or Hogan . . . for your hands to work that close to your body #4 has to work different.





For the club to get around and the handle to stay low the left arm has to work different . . . watch how much lower the club "exits" for Hogan vs. Jack . . . Jack's club and hands come up thru between his neck and ear . . . Hogan's are below his shoulder . . .

To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .
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Old 03-02-2008, 01:48 PM
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To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .
-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 03-02-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock View Post
-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact
Hmm? you better drop some bread crumbs so you can find your way back.
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Old 03-03-2008, 12:33 AM
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Hmm? you better drop some bread crumbs so you can find your way back.
I'm not worried, you can worry for me if it fits your disposition.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 03-02-2008, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball ..
How much of the left arm has to be in contact with the torso for pp4 to be unreleased?
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Old 03-02-2008, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Weightshift View Post
How much of the left arm has to be in contact with the torso for pp4 to be unreleased?

How do you "unrelease" it? Keep in mind it is the master accumulator . . . 4 . . . . then 1, 2, 3.
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:26 PM
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you are right...Hogan's hands go left like a pick pocket rounding a corner, but his thrust has to be down and out as he still stands "in" from the ball. I think his down and out thrust is so forceful that his horizontal hinge action and finish swivel stand in sharp contrast to anything remotely out! You smellin' what i'm brewing?

His swing was controlled violence...me likey!
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:45 PM
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Hey B-Unit

you are right...Hogan's hands go left like a pick pocket rounding a corner, but his thrust has to be down and out as he still stands "in" from the ball. I think his down and out thrust is so forceful that his horizontal hinge action and finish swivel stand in sharp contrast to anything remotely out! You smellin' what i'm brewing?

His swing was controlled violence...me likey!
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Hands go in club go out . . .

Do you think he was a horizontal hinger? I'm not sure haven't really looked.

He seems to have right much #3 Angle through the ball which means the clubface doesn't close as fast right? I'm not sure . . .

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Hogan at Impact
Is this what is meant by a proper pivot sequence into impact...hips ahead of shoulders ahead of arms ahead of hands ahead of clubhead.
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