Paul Azinger & Tom Watson comment on The Right Side

[okie]

As to hinging action this is only a reaction in a golf swing and can also be controlled by how the upper body is rotated or by how a player wishes to release the right hand/arm

I am curious what geometry, or physics (the so-so variety will suffice) you can produce to substantiate the above quote. Pretending that there is a hinge embedded in my left shoulder, vertical to one of the three planes works quite well! I am curious what principle of TGM has technology managed to debunk up until now. I really want know. I was shushed a while back when I tried to inquire about the guy that had Manzella frothing at the mouth... Dr. Z. There may be an odd thing here or there that may beg better description, but I think the Three Impertives are unasailable...everything else...who gives a flip.

[6bmike]

Through Impact, the Left Wrist (10-18-0) is responsible for the Hinge Action (7-10/18 ); the Finish Swivel (2-G); and maintaining the alignments of the Left Arm Flying Wedge (6-B-3-0-1) and its Rhythm (1-L #8 / 6-B-3-0 / The Glossary).

Only when the Left Wrist is fully in command can the Right Forearm Flying Wedge (Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point) Deliver with abandon its Lag Pressure Load into Impact (Major Basic Stroke / 7-3).

The left is subtle, the right is powerful. Geometry (L) and Physics (R).

[Yoda]

Mr. Blake,

Please ban me too.

Although I have found TGM invaluable in my continuing study of the game of golf, and I believe it is an important piece in the overall picture, I also believe it is only a piece.

I think there are many ways to make a golf stroke. I think there are many ways to describe these strokes and teach them. While I may disagree with many teachers, methods and theories, and I may be partial to others, I do acknowledge that some people have gotten extraordinary results with methods or theories that I find lacking. I think there is always something new to learn about the game of golf, and sometimes ideas different from our own can be the most illuminating.

I also think this is an exciting time for the study of the golf swing, as technological advances are allowing insights into golf swing mechanics like never before and many bright minds are doggedly studying these mechanics with real world data in hand.

I have learned a lot from you and this site's members, and for that I thank you. However, I find this site's intolerance to any ideas other than it's own particular TGM interpretation to be limiting.

I don't think I am the type of disruptive element you want for your little Yellow colored world, where there is a hitter lurking under ever rock. To be safe, you had better ban me as well.

Hit 'em long and straight,

Clay

In the 3 1/2 years since the founding of LynnBlakeGolf.com, we have published more than 50,000 posts in more than 5,500 threads. The subject matter and opinion contained therein is widely diverse and encompasses virtually every facet of the game. We even have an entire forum -- The Lab -- devoted to the exploration of new frontiers in golf. Except on rare occasion to remove profanity, vulgarity, vicious personal attacks or unacceptable links, not a word has been deleted from these tens of thousands of posts, nor has a dime been charged to read them.

So, there is substantial evidence that, not only am I tolerant of divergent views, I actually encourage their expression and personally finance their distribution. At the same time, I am growing increasingly intolerant of those who belittle the work and opinions of others. And when that derision is directed at this site and the work we do, my tolerance now approaches zero.

This was the mistake DukeNasty made. My beef with him had absolutely nothing to do with his opinions or views. It had everything to do with his blatant disrespect of ours.

What I find amusing in your post -- and his, too -- is that, before I came along, nobody talked about Hitting, certainly not as a viable alternative to Swinging. It seemed that the concept had died with Homer Kelley. In fact, I was accused and criticized in some quarters as "selling hitting". It is a fact that I have written hundreds of posts examining and explaining the hitting concept in its many dimensions. This is not 'selling'; this is educating.

Now, you accuse me of exactly the opposite, that I would find "disruptive" the contributions of all those hitters "lurking under every rock" of my "little yellow colored world" (still yellow, but not quite so "little" anymore: 5,677 registered members, 52 countries, etc.). This is ludicrous on its face. Besides, why would hitters lurk under rocks when we have an entire Forum devoted to Hitting and a moderator who is perhaps its most widely professed proponent?

We do agree on one thing: The Golfing Machine is only a piece in golf's fascinating puzzle. There are countless websites devoted to the various other pieces. We are devoted to this one.

And the record shows that nobody does it better.

[SECGolf]

So . . .

The Right Hand does it all.



In piano music, there is treble cleft (right hand) and bass cleft (left hand). Each hand plays their respective parts, and the result is MUSIC. You would have us believe that, in golf, the left hand plays the part of the deaf mute.

I strongly disagree.

Sorry maybe not clear. My thoughts are a hinge or a door does not move unless acted on. The hinge is definitely a necessary assembly. In piano playing, the muscles in your left hand fingers and left foremarm are causing action. In golf, these muscles are not causing action, the important assembly is acted upon (right being the piston, ativated by muscular or centrifugal force). Certainly open at all times to any corrections or explanations, as my purpose is to, at times, put my understandings "out there" as food for thought. Left hand not the part of the deaf mute when it comes to feel (of various hinge actions), but left arm is the deaf mute to the extent that a piece of rope plays the mentioned role in "pounding the ball").

[neil]

I for one find it very difficult swinging with my "right side".I could name any number of players who clearly start their downswing "from the feet"and end up blasting their right side as a result of "chain reaction".

Azinger repeated the comment several times during the tournament,guess he was a hitter.The same guy, incidentally,once said of Tigers swing, "look how his hips generate the clubhead speed"

Hardly" all right side" !

[pistol]

I for one find it very difficult swinging with my "right side".I could name any number of players who clearly start their downswing "from the feet"and end up blasting their right side as a result of "chain reaction".

Azinger repeated the comment several times during the tournament,guess he was a hitter.The same guy, incidentally,once said of Tigers swing, "look how his hips generate the clubhead speed"

Hardly" all right side" !

Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet

[6bmike]

Why are Hips ever mentioned in a golfswing analysis ? I don't see the relevance at all since they are 2 joints that do nothing unless moved by something else.
BTW Hula Hula is done by using your feet

Yes and No. Yes, the golf stroke starts from the bottom up and the feet (platforms) then Knees (anchors) start the down stroke but the Hip Motion via a Hip Action is very relevant. Hula Hula is an INDEPENDENT yet coordinated movement of the Hips and Shoulders- its key objective is the maintain a center head and keep the geometric circle as true as possible. Swaylessness. There is a much that the hips do after the feet start the downstroke. If there wasn’t, our footjoys would be gripping the club. All motion is connected so it is also safe to say the feet move the shoulders and the hands. But NO, because much occurs between actions.

[davel]

Azinger studied under John Redman. He teaches a turn in the barrel swing with the hips. This swing you can clearly see in Bobby Jones swing. In addition the club is to be swinging as defined by Ernest Jones. This is a 100% swinging action. Before I had my physical issues I found it to be a effective method to swing the club. I could think turn hips and have no problem doing that. I did not concern myself with the feet and the knees to make this move even though they did move.

I believe what Azinger was trying to say was you do have 2 hips and the right hip is the trailing hip and it is turning as well so that results in the right side of the body being used.

As for the finish swivel since Redman basically taught a strong grip he prefered a angled hinge to avoid hooks and have a preference for a fade pattern. Many of the strong grip swingers do this Couples etc.

Hope this helps.

Dave

[6bmike]

Being a golfer that focuses on pure right sided thoughts (just like my tennis swing and just like my baseball swing) I found Azingers comments quite refreshing.

But let's keep a few things in mind. This wasn't a few mindless wannabes like Kostis making these comments, these are two legends of the game making these comments. They both made millions from this game before you could be a player in the bottom third of the world rankings and make a million dollars a year. They both have probably dug more balls out of the dirt than any of us could ever hope to. They both have probably run every swing theory up and down the flag pole based on their association with the rest of the games greats..yet we have the nerve to rely on quoting the book by verse when we have two CHAMPIONS giving us their views based on real world experience?!

If this is making lesson books overflow with gold...then more power to ya. It just seems like sometimes people act like Homer is the only person in the world who can describe anything related to the golfswing.

E.

Homer’s book wasn’t supported by false instinct. Homer methodically observed and reproduced the motion and action of the golf stroke and was able to coordinate an explanation. It is hard to contradict his research because right or wrong, it is a compelling argument.
Tour golfers are blessed and gifted. Few are golf stroke engineers that can whittle away the vast “seems reasonableness” of how their stroke feels to them. Nor should they.
Im sorry that this thread got out of hand. I don’t think anyone thought it would. You have always been a supported of TGM and a Ted's friend.

[Andy R]

I wonder if Azinger's left hand lays that way naturally (and is therefore a correct grip for him, I think) or he does it by choice?