I don't think that he takes his clubshaft more inside on the backswing if you view his swing from a DTL view (seen from the front).
Image 1 is his clubshaft plane at address. Image 2 and 3 show the clubshaft plane during the backswing with image 3 showing the end-backswing clubshaft plane. Image 4 is a composite image of image 1 and image 3.
By my relaxed standards, that degree of plane shift is so small that it represents a zero plane shift backswing. More importantly, plane shift is only important in the downswing, and I don't think that MN shifts planes in the downswing.
By my relaxed standards, that degree of plane shift is so small that it represents a zero plane shift backswing. More importantly, plane shift is only important in the downswing, and I don't think that MN shifts planes in the downswing.
Jeff.
This is where you may run into misunderstandings. Your definition of plane shift is different, or at least more narrow, than the TGM definition. If you're saying that he dosen't shift from the top down, you may be right. But he does go through shifts from address to the top.
By my relaxed standards, that degree of plane shift is so small that it represents a zero plane shift backswing. More importantly, plane shift is only important in the downswing, and I don't think that MN shifts planes in the downswing.
Jeff.
Jeff
I think it is best left as either someone shifts or they don't, not that he hardly shifts so lets ignore it. TGM is a precise system remember "not incomplete or vague"
John g
I agree that a golfer either shifts planes or he doesn't shift planes, and that there is no middle ground.
When I state that I have relaxed standards, it doesn't apply to the above statement. It applies to the accuracy of demonstrating a plane shift using still photographs from swing videos which are not free of camera angle distortion. The small degree of lifting up of the clubshaft above the clubshaft-at-address plane during the backswing in those still photos that I obtained from a swing video could be due to camera angle distortion, and may not represent a real plane shift.
I have never seen any swing video of MN that is free of camera angle distortion, so we may never be able to incontrovertibly determine whether he had a zero-plane shift swing, or not. However, there is a considerable amount of concordant evidence from multiple swing videos which suggest that he had a zero-plane shift swing.
I agree that a golfer either shifts planes or he doesn't shift planes, and that there is no middle ground.
When I state that I have relaxed standards, it doesn't apply to the above statement. It applies to the accuracy of demonstrating a plane shift using still photographs from swing videos which are not free of camera angle distortion. The small degree of lifting up of the clubshaft above the clubshaft-at-address plane during the backswing in those still photos that I obtained from a swing video could be due to camera angle distortion, and may not represent a real plane shift.
I have never seen any swing video of MN that is free of camera angle distortion, so we may never be able to incontrovertibly determine whether he had a zero-plane shift swing, or not. However, there is a considerable amount of concordant evidence from multiple swing videos which suggest that he had a zero-plane shift swing.
Jeff.
jeff he shifts up ..its more evident in the longer clubs
I agree that a golfer either shifts planes or he doesn't shift planes, and that there is no middle ground.
When I state that I have relaxed standards, it doesn't apply to the above statement. It applies to the accuracy of demonstrating a plane shift using still photographs from swing videos which are not free of camera angle distortion. The small degree of lifting up of the clubshaft above the clubshaft-at-address plane during the backswing in those still photos that I obtained from a swing video could be due to camera angle distortion, and may not represent a real plane shift.
I have never seen any swing video of MN that is free of camera angle distortion, so we may never be able to incontrovertibly determine whether he had a zero-plane shift swing, or not. However, there is a considerable amount of concordant evidence from multiple swing videos which suggest that he had a zero-plane shift swing.
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