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[O.B.Left]

I love Homer's recommendation in 12-3-0, Section 2 - Impact Fix. When you prepare #3. Grip-Flying Wedges, #6. Right Forearm Position, #7. Clubshaft Alignments, and #8. Extensor Action, you're establishing the radius and verifying your distance from the ball.

Study 7-17, and understand that "conventional teaching" says to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. I think teachers take this great advice from other sports (where the ball is moving) and apply it to golf (where the ball is not moving). Weight on the balls of the feet or on the toes places the body in a position of imbalance in preparation for walking or running. I believe that the sport with a moving ball needs a machine that's able to move and the sport with a stationary ball needs a stationary and balanced machine.

Because they compensate for each other, you must fix both. Wiggle your toes at Address, and then work on Extensor Action. See how far you can get away from the ball at Impact Fix, not at Adjusted Address.

Thanks Luke, will do.

Ill balance the machine and space it properly from fulcrum to ball when at fix, not adjusted. Sounds so logical and yet you'd never get this level of insight anywhere else.

Never thought about compensations and cause and effect relationships from a down the line, radius/fulcrum point of view. Very interesting.

One more question if I may. Given that the mass of the arms/club moves from in front of us to behind us and then in front of us again etc. In the ideal does the center of balance move around or stay put? If it doesnt move is there a compensating counter balancing of some sort?

O.B.

[YodasLuke]

Thanks Luke, will do.

Ill balance the machine and space it properly from fulcrum to ball when at fix, not adjusted. Sounds so logical and yet you'd never get this level of insight anywhere else.

Never thought about compensations and cause and effect relationships from a down the line, radius/fulcrum point of view. Very interesting.

One more question if I may. Given that the mass of the arms/club moves from in front of us to behind us and then in front of us again etc. In the ideal does the center of balance move around or stay put? If it doesnt move is there a compensating counter balancing of some sort?

O.B.

David Lee's primary thesis in Gravity Golf involved the "counter fall" or counter balancing of the arms and club. David's an extremely intelligent man. The theory has some good science, but there are some things that take big leaps of faith, in my opinion.

I've seen many representations of CG in great players including force plates, 3-D models, etc. I remember a Spanish company that had one of the first 3-D models. This may have been more than ten years ago. They had Jose Maria in their data and showed a ground-up view from the feet with a marker that showed his CG. It never got closer to the ball, so one would have to assume there was some form of a counter balance.

I've got my own theory about force plates. I think some of the data is misinterpreted. They suggest it's favorable to have a hook (a CG that gets closer to the ball in the downstroke). I'm not sold on that theory. I think they're reading the weight move from the right heel to the left ball, when the hips are still closed.

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Luke

Lots to incubate here. Im going to work on all of this. Ill start by losing 10 pounds of what I now call counter balancing. Only Mexican for a month should do it.

O.B.

[KAPLOWD]

Seem like Gravity Golf is good for swingers, because there is an initial thrust of the arms on the backswing to get the club to the end position which allows the counter balance to take place.

[O.B.Left]

I've got my own theory about force plates. I think some of the data is misinterpreted. They suggest it's favorable to have a hook (a CG that gets closer to the ball in the downstroke). I'm not sold on that theory. I think they're reading the weight move from the right heel to the left ball, when the hips are still closed.

Luke would a severe move of the CG towards the ball normally result in a hook?

So the weight should go right heel, left ball, left heel as the hips clear?

The more I think about this the more I wonder whether the spine angle (from a down the line view only, not to preclude axis tilt) should remain constant? No boob , belt convergence.

Thanks
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[YodasLuke]

Luke would a severe move of the CG towards the ball normally result in a hook?

So the weight should go right heel, left ball, left heel as the hips clear?

The more I think about this the more I wonder whether the spine angle (from a down the line view only, not to preclude axis tilt) should remain constant? No boob , belt convergence.

Thanks
O.B.

1. The reason that it often results in a hook is that the radius has to shorten when you get closer to the ball. If you're shortening the radius, you're not sustaining pressure on the pressure points. Without sustaining pressure, you get clubhead throwaway. Fore left!

2. Yes.

3. It should start more that way and remain more constant, instead of seeing big changes. I wouldn't change Tiger's Impact. I would change his Address to stop some of the Bobbing. But, understand that I'm not feeling sorry for Tiger, his wife, his yacht, his house, etc.

[O.B.Left]

I wouldn't change Tiger's Impact. I would change his Address to stop some of the Bobbing.

He really used to push his butt in when he was a junior. Almost stand up.

Would you have him stand a little taller at address?

Is a butt thats pushing in a sign of a butt that is addressed too far away to begin with?

Thanks for all the help.

O.B. Left

PS Luke that note about the pressure points is so true. I can feel em dying when I push in. No structure. Brilliant.

[O.B.Left]

Here is an interesting case study. Tiger Woods, the worlds best, the greatest champion ever perhaps tbd, with his driver swing out of wack. Nobody , not even Tiger is exempt from bad swing days. ( Note how he is leading the field here, however.)

If you look at his feet post impact he is up on both sets of toes and then standing up through the shot.

His is not a common butt push , left and right scenario. More of an up and down compression as his head and seat move to the ground and back up, maybe. His head bobbing back up to reestablish his radius. A fair bit of movement, eh?

Luke , Drewit et al, what do you make of this? What out of all of this would you change if he called you guys up for a lesson? Or perhaps you are working with him and dont wish to comment.

Still working on my left /right encroachment issues, trying to figure out the dynamics of balance.

Thanks
O.B.

[drewitgolf]

For the first six months...
Get him to understand and establish a Right Forearm Flying Wedge, by changing his right hand grip. Have him start on an Elbow Plane rather than a Hands Plane.

If that doesn't work, whatever the guy in the second video said. Did Peter Allis get a new accent?