Creating power gets attention! Could Ben Doyle's reference to snapping the hips have a relationship to this MFT swing?
CalSr
Exactly what I was thinking big daddy.
When you take a lesson with Ben make sure your belt loops are strong, otherwise they will get ripped off as he teaches you to "hit the ball with your pivot".
We have some video of Ben doing exactly that with a student.
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Bagger - what do you mean when you say "learn to hit the ball with your pivot"?
Consider a pivot-driven swing in a swinger - he uses the pivot to load and release PA#4.
Here is an example of the release of PA#4 - by Ben Hogan.
When PA#4 is released in the mid-downswing, the left arm moves towards impact, and then PA#2 and then PA#3 are released passively.
Is that what you mean by "learn to hit the ball with your pivot"?
Jeff.
Jeff why do you consider Hogan has released all of #4 at this point? Why do you consider Hogan passively releases $3 when he has so much of it to roll out. Ever consider Hogan blew some #3 off earlier?
You insist he is a swinger and does it by the yellow book ( so to speak) but how does this match up to a cp release with an angle hinge orientation ?
Pistol - I was taught here at this website that PA#4 is completely released when the left arm-chest wall angle is 90 degrees. Hogan achieves that 90 degree release angle by impact, so I presume that he has completely released PA#4 by impact.
It is my personal opinion that Hogan is a swinger - based on watching his swing video many times. If I am correct, then PA#3 release is essentially a passive phenomenon and not due to the active release of PA#1 that thrusts the straightening right arm through impact. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please provide the "evidence" (and the statement "I wish I had three right hands cannot be considered "evidence").
I do not believe that Hogan always used angled hinging, He sometimes employed horizontal hinging. However, I think that he preferred angled hinging because he preferred a power fade shot, rather than a low penetrating draw. I think that he was skilled enough to use either angled or horizontal hinging at will.
Pistol - I was taught here at this website that PA#4 is completely released when the left arm-chest wall angle is 90 degrees. Hogan achieves that 90 degree release angle by impact, so I presume that he has completely released PA#4 by impact.
It is my personal opinion that Hogan is a swinger - based on watching his swing video many times. If I am correct, then PA#3 release is essentially a passive phenomenon and not due to the active release of PA#1 that thrusts the straightening right arm through impact. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please provide the "evidence" (and the statement "I wish I had three right hands cannot be considered "evidence").
I do not believe that Hogan always used angled hinging, He sometimes employed horizontal hinging. However, I think that he preferred angled hinging because he preferred a power fade shot, rather than a low penetrating draw. I think that he was skilled enough to use either angled or horizontal hinging at will.
Jeff.
Jeff you put up a youtube clip showing Hogan not even close to impact showing release of #4 and now you say he releases all of it by impact...im confused ..seems like you are contradicting yourself now.
Why would hh produce a low draw? and angle h a low fade?
Can you produce footage of Hogan post 1950's using a hh?
Homer says to use elbow plane it requires an earlier release of #3..what would #1 have to do with this and 3 right hands?
What about what Venturi said of Hogan and what he said in the locker room that its elbow to elbow..inferring he paints a dot on the inside of the arm/elbow joint and points it to the sky.
Consider the downswing is over in aprox .3 sec and it takes the brain .2 sec approx to send the signal to the arms/hands would that not make some sense that Hogan actively supinated his left elbow during the downswing which would in turn initiate the #3 release?
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