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Old 03-18-2009, 10:29 PM
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That 'CF force' arrow is not random. It is precisely parallel to (2-K #1 and #3) -- or in line with (2-K #2) -- the left arm.

Out of curiosity, what is your explanation of the dynamic?

BTW, give it your best shot, because this is going to be an extremely short-lived interaction.

You mean dynamics of the release? What causes it if not non-existent "CF"?

That explanation be here: http://nmgolfscience.tripod.com/release.htm

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Requires a high school physics level of understanding... peruse at your leisure or don't... It does not matter to me and I won't be offended if you opt out. I'll be back in about a week .... business calls.

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Old 03-18-2009, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by no_mind_golfer View Post

You mean dynamics of the release? What causes it if not non-existent "CF"?

That explanation be here: http://nmgolfscience.tripod.com/release.htm

*Warning*

Requires a high school physics level of understanding... peruse at your leisure or don't... It does not matter to me and I won't be offended if you opt out. I'll be back in about a week .... business calls.

Regards...
Oh, now I get it. Thank God I bumbled through high school and Georgia Tech. That settled, and when you get back next week from "business" . . .

Let's play golf.

I'll take the equally deluded Ted Fort, Jeff Hull and 12 Piece Bucket -- -- against the best ball of you and any three of your referenced Cambridge physicists.

Eighteen holes at Atlanta CC: You guys take carts and play the gals' tees (any gal physicists must play from there, too ).

We'll play the tips and carry our own bags.

The Rules are the Rules: Play by them -- including the ball 'as it lies', no 'gimmes' and count every stroke.

Loser pays all expenses, including green fees, meals, lodging and transportation.

Should be fun.



P.S. For the rest of us: The sound you hear now is no mind scrambling for one or more "referenced physicists" with a scratch handicap, a penchant for the Ladies Tees and looking for a U.S. 'getaway'.

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Old 03-19-2009, 04:44 AM
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Sounds like a lot of fun
I would like to be there with a videocamera.

And there's a story right there for Mark Frost to write.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:53 AM
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A book named "The science of Golf" published in Feb, 2009 not only mentioned CF but also with calculation...Dr John Wesson....who are you?
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:54 AM
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A book named "The science of Golf" published in Feb, 2009 not only mentioned CF but also with calculation...Dr John Wesson....who are you?

Yes that guy.... Just because a book gets published does not mean the author knows what he/shes talking about. At least in his physics of soccer book... Wesson doesn't know what he's talking about (with respect to the physics of release). In figure 2.3 of that book he's got one of those (wrong) imaginary arrows I refer above.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7340/wesson.gif

There is no force out there... CF or otherwise! The only force the lower leg (in this case) or golf club (in our case) experiences is the force applied at the at the knee or at the hands (disregarding the minor contribution due to gravity)!

Try thinking about it this way.... Forces are vector quantities, they have both direction and magnitude. If you draw an infinite line in the direction of the force and if that line does not happen to go through the center of gravity of that object then when that force is applied it will cause the object to not only translate but also rotate. Grab the periphery of almost any object and pull... does it rotate? Its inertia that causes the object to not only translate but also rotate when the "line of action" of the force does not go through the CG. In essence... THIS not CF is what causes release.

http://books.google.com/books?id=dGc... =0_0#PPA21,M1

Have at it I've got to catch a flight now...

PS LynnB we will see... on second thought no way... pissing matches are for school yards

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Old 03-19-2009, 12:48 PM
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PS LynnB we will see... on second thought no way... pissing matches are for school yards
Actually, having been exposed in your opening post as "ignorant" and a "posuer" -- BTW, the correct spelling is poseur -- with regard to scientific principles, I proposed a golf match, not a "pissing" match. And not in a "school yard", but on a championship layout. Guess you weren't feeling lucky.

The truth is, no_mind, that despite your condescending and incorrect labeling, we here at LBG have learned to make the golf ball behave. And, despite your counsel to our readers that they "humor" us and "move on", we have demonstrated our ability to help our students do the same.

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Old 03-19-2009, 01:31 PM
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Just if your interested:

Where Vfict (r) is the potential responsible for the
centrifugal force: fc = −ω×(ω×r) = (ω2−ω ωT)r
.
Vfict (r) = −1
2 rT(ω2 − ω ωT)r
Now, Rs and RJ are parallel and MsRs+MJRJ =
0.
[Note that if a particle is moving then addi-
tional Coriolis forces act that are not mentioned
in @
@rVeff (r), so we can’t determine stability from
Veff .

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Have at it I've got to catch a flight now...

PS LynnB we will see... on second thought no way... pissing matches are for school yards
If the pilot don't understand the physics of lift and drag . . . are you gonna get on the plane?

If Lynn don't first write a dissertation on fluid dynamics . . . . should he tie a knot in it and hope not to piss down his leg?
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If Lynn don't first write a dissertation on fluid dynamics . . . . should he tie a knot in it and hope not to piss down his leg?
Now, that there is funny... reminds me of the dookey toofus discussions which I kind of miss.
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post

I'll take the equally deluded Ted Fort, Jeff Hull and 12 Piece Bucket -- -- against the best ball of you and any three of your referenced Cambridge physicists.

Yoda - You really need to pick three completely deluded CF (or whatever its called) swingers. Ted is disqualified, Jeff admits he probably pushes through impact, and Bucket uses 72 different patterns during a single round.

I suggest EdZ, MikeO, and Collin Neeman.
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