I'm still a little shaky on how to trace the plane line with the #3 pp. But as a side note to the previous discussion on pivot to hands vs hands to pivot, it occurs to me that if your mind is on you pivot , tracing is likely non existent. Is that right?
Swinging the clubhead and watching or monitoring the clubhead are two of golfs most common and damaging procedures. And my former self was an expert at both, sadly. The first supplying no structure and much wobble. The second tending towards the straight back , straight through "covering" rather "tracing" of the plane line. You can get pretty good doing those two things but one thing you will not be is terribly consistent (or on plane either).
Swinging the hands not the clubhead was a major eye opener for me. I thought I knew the difference but didnt at all. Yoda can demonstrate the difference in a second but to discuss it verbally is a chore. The flat left wrist , the flying wedges, the frozen right wrist, the hands as clamps, no wobble at the club attachment , pressure points, firm grip pressure being the solution to the flippy and whippy wrists. Its not a handsy action but is all about the hands. I thought I understood this but I didnt.
Jeff and Ted really helped me with an on-plane takeaway at Cuscowilla. Hard to believe how 'up' it is. I feel like I'm picking the club almost straight up in front of me while I pivot back.
Years ago, I played regularly with a fellow who had been taught by Paul Runyon in Denver. My friend relayed to me that Runyon taught him to swing his arms straight back and up, in a "U" shape and to let his pivot take the club in. I tried it then, but could never make it work. Now, I think, I pretty much do exactly that. The key for me has been monitoring my alignments while I swing back in that "U" shape, which keeps the club on plane and controls my pivot. This thread reminded me of that conversation many years ago.
Years ago, I played regularly with a fellow who had been taught by Paul Runyon in Denver. My friend relayed to me that Runyon taught him to swing his arms straight back and up, in a "U" shape and to let his pivot take the club in. I tried it then, but could never make it work. Now, I think, I pretty much do exactly that. The key for me has been monitoring my alignments while I swing back in that "U" shape, which keeps the club on plane and controls my pivot. This thread reminded me of that conversation many years ago.
This is one of those pieces of the swing that I doubt I ever would have ever gotten right on my own. The folding right arm started much earlier and felt much more 'up' than I ever imagined, even after reading dozens of posts on the right forarm pickup (I had a 'duh' moment at Cuscowilla with this one). There is a lot of seemingly conflicting pieces of advice around this topic and it's easy to lose site of just tracing the plane line - eg. use less pivot and let the hands lead vs. use more to be sure and clear the right hip, don't lift the arms vs. lift the club from the start, etc... For me extensor action with an earlier bending, 'lifting' right arm was the trick that helped my pivot start taking orders from my hands on the way back. For the most part, the right arm is just folding up and down, and the pivot responds as needed to my intent to trace the plane line. Again for me that meant a little more active right arm and pivot with less active hands, but I imagine it could be totally different for others.
Originally Posted by Yoda
Thanks, Ben.
There is a terrific video in your post. It may not be 'Moses at The Parting', but for TGMers, it would be close.
My incongruent economic lives -- and my own inertia -- collide in this deficit.
Sorry.
Thanks Yoda and Bambam
I missed these posts at the time, this enticing Sneak Preview, Trailer for a "Moses at The Parting" movie for TGM ers on the Right Forearm Pickup.
Yoda, If time doesnt allow for the making of a movie, would you please type us a little note on the "Pickup" and right elbow bending? This is something we are all probably struggling with. How do we get the Magic Of The Right Forearm to work on the backswing? You need Extensor Action I'd imagine, like Bambam.
Regards
Ob
PS Here is a video of your pal Billy Casper showing us his takeaway, down the line this time. How bout this elbow bending?
I missed these posts at the time, this enticing Sneak Preview, Trailer for a "Moses at The Parting" movie for TGM ers on the Right Forearm Pickup.
Yoda, If time doesnt allow for the making of a movie, would you please type us a little note on the "Pickup" and right elbow bending? This is something we are all probably struggling with. How do we get the Magic Of The Right Forearm to work on the backswing? You need Extensor Action I'd imagine.
Regards
Ob
PS Here is a video of your pal Billy Casper showing us his takeaway, down the line this time. How bout this elbow bending?
I don't mean to butt in on this OB. But here's how.
Use your right deltoid muscle to fan your right forearm. Instant extensor action and 3 dimensions take-away. The dimensions (HK) are "back, up, in" simulataneously.
I don't mean to butt in on this OB. But here's how.
Use your right deltoid muscle to fan your right forearm. Instant extensor action and 3 dimensions take-away. The dimensions (HK) are "back, up, in" simulataneously.
Apres vous , Daryl, but of course.
I saw your post today in the Drag The Wet Mop thread and it reminded me of this enticing cliff hanger here. Man if you get Startup right everything just flows, eh? On the other hand some days I feel like Im fighting my body. If I can just crack this Elbow Magic code..............
Did you see Sean O'hare on the weekend? Not a lot of elbow bend on him and as you mentioned a very upright plane to match accordingly.
So what gives one the instant "up" then? I can see fanning and the pivot giving you the "back" and "in". In your other post (you should move it here , its very interesting) you mentioned Extensor Action as lifting the club up , I think. I thought EA shouldnt move the club? Which leaves us with 'bending" I guess. I note you didnt mention bending above. What you got against elbow bending anyways?
I used to have a frozen right elbow and right hip too, covered the plane, lifted the club up with my hands, cocked both my wrists ..............ouch. Im happy to automate much of my new swing with a bending right elbow. Hey we did some elbow bending in Atlanta eh? Remember. Didnt bother you intellectually then!
Move your post over here, its inspired. A total rewrite of the book, but inspired. You are learned and so I differ to your inspiration until I am presented with a more sane explanation. Which hopefully will come very soon. I have a noon tee off time and need to know.
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