This thread has some nice lines already...thanks Yoda and all!
The role as right shoulder in swinging is something I have always struggled to feel as an active component...always found it easy to feel acc.4 release..just never felt the right shoulder drivie it...but now Yoda writes about the hip action pull/throw the right shoulder I sort of get it.
Well, I have reviewed the Yoda Basic Motion pictures ... I certainly have just spent 2 weeks and about 2000 balls doing 'basic' shots that were not basic ... I was going back way further than the Master ...
It seems to me that Yoda's right arm does not move at all ... look at a tiny piece of the bush behind him just above his right elbow ...
The back of his right hand does not seem to move past the inside of his right thigh ... so the only way he could do this is by bending / cocking his left wrist ?? - Looking for clarification here please.
Re. 2 foot back and 2 foot through:
I went back out - got my 2 dowels - got out the tape and measured 4 foot - stuck the dowels in the ground 4 ft apart - on the target line - placed the ball precisely in the middle -
And it felt terrible ... totally stunted type of 'stroke' staying within these parameters ... clubhead hitting the rear dowel so quickly that it seems impossible to play any kind of fluent stroke - for me anyway ...
I only had about 4 attempts as I had to head for work ... so maybe I could develop something with practice ... but would appreciate if somebody else could try this set-up to see how it feels.
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Last edited by Irish Maverick : 05-11-2009 at 10:27 AM.
It seems to me that Yoda's right arm does not move at all ... look at a tiny piece of the bush behind him just above his right elbow ...
The back of his right hand does not seem to move past the inside of his right thigh ... so the only way he could do this is by bending / cocking his left wrist ?? - Looking for clarification here please.
It is done with the #1 power accumulator only - bending and straightening of the right elbow.
Originally Posted by Irish Maverick
Re. 2 foot back and 2 foot through:
I went back out - got my 2 dowels - got out the tape and measured 4 foot - stuck the dowels in the ground 4 ft apart - on the target line - placed the ball precisely in the middle -
And it felt terrible ... totally stunted type of 'stroke' staying within these parameters ... clubhead hitting the rear dowel so quickly that it seems impossible to play any kind of fluent stroke - for me anyway ...
I only had about 4 attempts as I had to head for work ... so maybe I could develop something with practice ... but would appreciate if somebody else could try this set-up to see how it feels.
You must appreciate that this is the most basic of all golf shots. Whilst it does have an application on the golf course it is primarily a drilling process to learn control of the hands. The hands are merely clamps and add nothing to the power of the basic motion shot - no cocking or bending of left or right wrists. Back, up and in; down, out and through.
You will be pleasantly surprised once you master basic motion and the sound of impact will tell you when you have done it.
Thanks Burner - but I cannot understand the 'bending and straightening of the right elbow' move in this instance ... bending it which way? ... And I cannot see any move by Yoda doing this in the pictures ...
I do not wish to be a pest but this is stopping me in my tracks ... if I use the 2 foot dowels alignment, as I set out above, there is no room to bend anything before you crash into the rear dowel.
Thanks Burner - but I cannot understand the 'bending and straightening of the right elbow' move in this instance ... bending it which way? ... And I cannot see any move by Yoda doing this in the pictures ...
I do not wish to be a pest but this is stopping me in my tracks ... if I use the 2 foot dowels alignment, as I set out above, there is no room to bend anything before you crash into the rear dowel.
Don't bend anything or else you'll crash into the dowel!
Hey Irish, I feel your pain, confusion and anxiety.
To start your journey in Golfing Machine-dom, you must have the Holy Grail to guide you along the way; and “Basic Motion” is the Holy Grail of Golf Motions. It’s your map to learning Golf, and when you’re lost, it will become a beacon to guide you safely on the ‘right track’ again.
But, you must ask yourself; “Should I remain as I am, on the Darkside; continue reading golf magazines, watching the golfing channel, laugh like others at a tournament announcers jokes and not accept fault for a bad shot because ‘the wind got-a-hold of that one’? Or, should I leave that blissful ignorance behind by learning ‘Basic Motion’, crossover to the Light-side, where the painful truth of reality and knowledge may be your only reward?”
So, you must make this choice, "You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Basic motion teaches you the #4 Accumulator, extensor Action Take-away, how the hands train the ‘Right Shoulder’ to drive the ‘levers’, ‘Hinge Action’, ‘three dimensional impact’, and much more.
In this exercise, you’re going to fan your right hand (Extensor Take-away) at start-up which will pull your straight left arm straight and also against your chest (#4 pressure point) and then use your right shoulder (part of both the Pivot and Power Package) to Drive against the #4 Pressure Point which will guide your arms and Hands and Club through impact without moving your arms and hands independently (the alignment of your hands and arms and shoulders at the end of your take-away do not change until your hands reach the line-of-sight to the ball).
Do not move your shoulders on the backswing to take the club back (especially your left shoulder). Only fan your right arm/hand. Feel your Left Shoulder and Torso resisting. Feel your Left Arm pressing against your chest at the end of the Take-Away. Trace the Plane-line during the Take-Away so that your hands stay on-plane (use a bench to rest the Clubshaft on and guide (teach) your hands to trace the Plane-line, a must for beginners) otherwise when your right shoulder moves toward the ball, your off-plane hands will have no chance. Train your Pivot (right Shoulder) to comply with the path that your hands need to be on (Hands controlled Pivot). Do not train the Pivot to steer off-plane Hands though impact (Pivot controlled Hands).
Do not move your head, hips, knees or feet.
Do tilt your right shoulder at address as you would for normal strokes.
At the end of the take-away, make your right shoulder move toward the ball in such a way and fashion that your hands (Clamped onto the Club) will move toward impact and after they enter your line of sight to the Ball, your Clubhead will strike the ball. This is known as training your right shoulder to move the Hands where the Hands want to go. Your Hands want to trace the Plane-Line. So, teach your Right Shoulder How to move so the Hands stay on track. Hitters can straighten the right Elbow as the Hands reach the Line of Sight to the Ball. Swingers will let the Right Elbow unbend naturally.
Once the Right Shoulder and Power Package are trained to move the Inert Hands, then you can apply more power by moving your right shoulder more forcibly.
Remember, that once the end of Take-away is reached and the Left arm is pressing against the chest, keep the pressure (#4 PP) as your right shoulder drives. Your right shoulder will propel the left arm away from your chest soon after the thrust begins.
Remember that your arms and hands don’t move forward independent of your right shoulder until your hands reach the line-of-sight to the Ball.
How many days will pass before I learn Basic Motion? Anywhere from 3 days to 30 days.
Daryl, thanks for taking the time to write that comprehensive reply ... yes, I have achieved that magic sound of compression, but not repetitively ... have printed out your post and taken my pills ... back to basics.
Don't bend anything or else you'll crash into the dowel!
Hey Irish, I feel your pain, confusion and anxiety.
To start your journey in Golfing Machine-dom, you must have the Holy Grail to guide you along the way; and “Basic Motion” is the Holy Grail of Golf Motions. It’s your map to learning Golf, and when you’re lost, it will become a beacon to guide you safely on the ‘right track’ again.
But, you must ask yourself; “Should I remain as I am, on the Darkside; continue reading golf magazines, watching the golfing channel, laugh like others at a tournament announcers jokes and not accept fault for a bad shot because ‘the wind got-a-hold of that one’? Or, should I leave that blissful ignorance behind by learning ‘Basic Motion’, crossover to the Light-side, where the painful truth of reality and knowledge may be your only reward?”
So, you must make this choice, "You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
Basic motion teaches you the #4 Accumulator, extensor Action Take-away, how the hands train the ‘Right Shoulder’ to drive the ‘levers’, ‘Hinge Action’, ‘three dimensional impact’, and much more.
In this exercise, you’re going to fan your right hand (Extensor Take-away) at start-up which will pull your straight left arm straight and also against your chest (#4 pressure point) and then use your right shoulder (part of both the Pivot and Power Package) to Drive against the #4 Pressure Point which will guide your arms and Hands and Club through impact without moving your arms and hands independently (the alignment of your hands and arms and shoulders at the end of your take-away do not change until your hands reach the line-of-sight to the ball).
Do not move your shoulders on the backswing to take the club back (especially your left shoulder). Only fan your right arm/hand. Feel your Left Shoulder and Torso resisting. Feel your Left Arm pressing against your chest at the end of the Take-Away. Trace the Plane-line during the Take-Away so that your hands stay on-plane (use a bench to rest the Clubshaft on and guide (teach) your hands to trace the Plane-line, a must for beginners) otherwise when your right shoulder moves toward the ball, your off-plane hands will have no chance. Train your Pivot (right Shoulder) to comply with the path that your hands need to be on (Hands controlled Pivot). Do not train the Pivot to steer off-plane Hands though impact (Pivot controlled Hands).
Do not move your head, hips, knees or feet.
Do tilt your right shoulder at address as you would for normal strokes.
At the end of the take-away, make your right shoulder move toward the ball in such a way and fashion that your hands (Clamped onto the Club) will move toward impact and after they enter your line of sight to the Ball, your Clubhead will strike the ball. This is known as training your right shoulder to move the Hands where the Hands want to go. Your Hands want to trace the Plane-Line. So, teach your Right Shoulder How to move so the Hands stay on track. Hitters can straighten the right Elbow as the Hands reach the Line of Sight to the Ball. Swingers will let the Right Elbow unbend naturally.
Once the Right Shoulder and Power Package are trained to move the Inert Hands, then you can apply more power by moving your right shoulder more forcibly.
Remember, that once the end of Take-away is reached and the Left arm is pressing against the chest, keep the pressure (#4 PP) as your right shoulder drives. Your right shoulder will propel the left arm away from your chest soon after the thrust begins.
Remember that your arms and hands don’t move forward independent of your right shoulder until your hands reach the line-of-sight to the Ball.
How many days will pass before I learn Basic Motion? Anywhere from 3 days to 30 days.
Daryl,
That is what I was getting at in my first post on this thread, so thanks.
When you say fan the right hand, is that a bending back of the hand at the wrist?
How would you describe the right shoulder motion? It sounds like the left shoulder is the pivot point of the whole machine which the right shoulder powers.
By Turning the hands from Standard or Adjusted address (anticlockwise motion) whilst applying Extensor Action will give you a FLW and Bent Right Wrist AND a little bend in the right elbow. It may well be pretty close to what you wish to look like in terms of Flying Wedges at your Impact Fix you practice.
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